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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:38 AM
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Cal Thomas is a douche - here's my response.
If there was ever any doubt, a reading of his latest will put those to rest. The whole thing is disgusting and should be read, but I've tried to pull out the worst:

1 step forward, 2 back

Cal Thomas | Los Angeles Times Syndicate

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It was probably not coincidental that on the same day the Senate voted against extending the USA Patriot Act, the New York Times printed a story it had held for a year that contained numerous anonymous, and therefore unaccountable, sources claiming President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on American citizens and others after Sept. 11. Just once it would be nice if the anonymous would leak something beneficial to their country.

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...Some senators expressed concern about damage to civil liberties. But civil liberties mean nothing if you're killed by a terrorist who has manipulated the Constitution to achieve his or her objectives. The Senate's refusal to extend the Patriot Act increases the likelihood that more of us will die sooner than we expect.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani wrote in a Dec. 17 Times column that failure to extend the Patriot Act beyond its Dec. 31 expiration date "represents a grave potential threat to the nation's security." When another attack comes, will those senators whose concern for civil liberties trumps the saving of lives step forward to acknowledge their role in weakening America?

Those relatively few who were spied on and had their cell phones monitored must have demonstrated their intention to aid in another terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Waiting for a judge to give permission to monitor a suspect's cell phone often takes too long. Before a court order can be obtained, the terrorist suspect can disconnect, or change numbers and the trail quickly grows cold. The law -- especially the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- has lagged behind the technological innovation and cunning of our enemies. President Bush did what he swore he would do in his oath of office: protect this country and its citizens from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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The second step back from victory came in a bill by Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, to ban "cruel, inhumane and degrading" treatment of prisoners in American custody. One wishes our enemies would adopt such a standard, but they won't because they are more interested in winning than behaving nicely. The major flaw in McCain's thinking is similar to what one sees in our dealings with Israel and ITS enemies. It is that what we do affects what the other side does and if we will be "humane" to them, they won't blow us to smithereens. That is dangerous wishful thinking and there is no evidence to support it.

Surely the word has gone out to the terrorists that if they are captured they have little to fear because Americans won't torture them. When information we might otherwise have obtained is not extracted from them and thousands, or millions, more of us die, will those who favor restraining interrogators be held accountable?

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It is that same naivete and failure to understand the threat confronting us now that produces the thinking which opposes monitoring evildoers among us. We lower our guard at a time when it needs to be raised to new levels.


Here's my response - comments"

Not a conservative
After reading Cal Thomas' latest editorial, the only conclusion I can come to is that he is not a true conservative. And being a student of history, he is not an American either. A true conservative would never argue for the expansion of government power at the expense of our civil liberties. Neither would he believe government is infallible by assuming that people spied upon "must have demonstrated their intention" to do anything. That is for a judge and jury to decide, not the President. Our Founding Fathers fought the American Revolution to overthrow a king, and yet Mr Thomas argues for exactly that.

His criticism of Senator John McCain simply confirms that Mr Thomas does not believe in the ideals that America stands for. The audacity he shows in claiming that Sen McCain does not understand torture is astonishing. His failure to understand that torture achieves nothing (sorry Mr Thomas, but the series "24" is fiction) other than to make us more like our enemies is incredible. Don't forget, it was lies gotten from torture (al Libi) that this administration used as a basis for war.

If Mr Thomas wishes to give the terrorists a victory by having our government sacrifice our civil liberties and our morality in the name of security, perhaps he would be more at home in Iran. I'll buy his plane ticket.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:42 AM
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1. Totally ridiculous article ...
... followed by a totally BRILLIANT RESPONSE!

Well done! :yourock:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:43 AM
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2. Cal Thomas defending the use of torture - how Christian of him.
:sarcasm:
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:44 AM
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3. hes a bootlicker. one of those that swoons to power and cruelty.
hes an evil little man with a big ugly mouth.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:59 AM
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5. He's also shown a few signs of independent thought lately
which makes me think he forgets to drink his morning Koolaid some days.

The right wing fishwrap in this town faithfully carries every column, and I've been shocked at a few of them. He's been all over the place, excoriating Stupid one day then defending him as above the next, usually for the same thing.


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:45 AM
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4. Cal wants us to live under a 'benign' dictatorship of Bush...
trouble is, there is no such thing as a benign dictatorship and we already know that when Bush says 'trust me' he has shown by experience that that is a promise he cannot keep.

BTW, the FISA court is going to have to review all 4 years of those warrentless wiretaps and get the country 'back up to speed' legally. This new review workload couldn't have come at a worse time if our intell agencies are trying to keep up with the current threats.

Bush's incompetence strikes again !
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:03 PM
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6. Interesting that Brother Cal
would be parrotting the words of Sen. John Cornyn. That's where that "civil rights don't matter if you're dead" hooey got started.

They are organized and they're dangerous. And we need to stop them.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:20 PM
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7. I think you get the same result from torture as you do from coercion.
Often a false statement to satisfy the person doing the torture or coercing.
Just like those who plead guilty to crimes they did not commit.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:44 PM
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8. Incredibly, he used to be worse.
All of his columns used to be loaded with God and Jesus. At some point he dropped the heavy-handed religion. So now, he's still wrong in all the ways mentioned, but without constantly dragging deities into it.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:47 PM
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9. Great response.
Cal Thomas would have been a good Nazi.
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