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:toast: Congratulations on surviving your various family events, everyone! :toast:

As for me....


I had my very first Freeper Christmas tonight!

My boyfriend's family votes Republican, that much I know. I do stay out of it with them. But then they started talking about the War on Christmas :eyes: and how they had boycotted Target because it was their policy to never allow the word Christmas in the store :eyes: (show me one employee who has been fired for saying Merry Christmas, damn you!) And how they thought it was sooooo cool of them to say Merry Christmas back to those who said Happy Holidays. Haha, striking it to the Man, aren't they! Poor persecuted majority. :nopity:

So when they started babbling about it I finally said "Nobody gets offended by Merry Christmas, but that guy didn't know what religion you were when he said Happy Holidays."
Retort: "He should say Merry Christmas if HE celebrates it."
My answer, courtesy of Mike Malloy :loveya: was: "So I should say Happy Birthday to you on my birthday?"
Stumblefluster. "...Well, sure! I say Happy Arbor Day to people..."

Then they start going on about how the Constitution was written by Christians. ("Deists," I interjected. "Same thing," said they.) And then "You know, 85 percent of this country is Christian..."

Well.

I guess these particular relatives didn't know I was Jewish.

:mad: :mad: :mad: I walked out of the room at that point because I was about to rail at them about how it was nice to know I wasn't welcome in THEIR country. My boyfriend had to :spank: some sense into me ;-) At the end I tried to make nice, said "You know what? I look forward to more and more interesting conversations with you."

I should have known better. But there's a point when you're just :argh:!

My poor boyfriend :nopity: He had to deal with me :nopity: If he comes in here and yells at me for crying into my virtual beer, though, he's sleeping on the couch. That's what you guys are HERE for. :cry: :beer:

So please share your freeper stories and :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: to all!!!!

Encourage them to boycott Target. It's a red company. I recommend a bit of research on all the red companies, and their various offenses. You won't change their mind about being fundie neocons, but you might be able to divert some of their money to good causes.

"I know! I haven't been back to Target since I heard they don't say Merry Christmas - and did you know they banned the bell ringers, also? So did Home Depot, they banned the Salvation Army from ringing bells at their stores at Christmas! I shop at Costco now, no way am I giving Target my dollars. And you should shop at Lowes, not Home Depot, too!"

Snopes has debunked that Salvation Army banned at Target story.

Claim: Target has banned Salvation Army bell ringers from its premises.

Status: True.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/sallyann.asp

Wow I had no idea they had changed their policy.

including the car washes, bake sales, and kids with the cans collecting for who knows what. They just realized that making an exemption for the Sallies was unfair, so they asked them not to come.

Around here, there's often a gauntlet of beggars and sellers to be run at some other stores, so their policy makes sense.

I live right by a Target and drive by there every day. But I could be mistaken. I haven't shopped there this season, just drive by it.

... whether something about Target or anybody is true or not. With all the shit floating around the email sewer, I don't mind fighting fire with fire... or smoke.

I'm personally passing any rumors I can think of to anybody who makes any noises about any of the Repub talking points.

"Home Depot is run by pro-lifers."
"Falwell is run by Rev. Moon." (It helps if they're true.)

I've been listening to him sing off-key Christmas Carole's for the last month x(

That was before he started talking about the U.S. "kicking ass", about three vodkas later.

When he sobers up and the fish start biting, we'll talk.

Glad you survived. Tomorrow the family from my side comes to our house, and they're all LIBERALS!

:woohoo:

tell them their grandchildren aren't going to be Christian because you are Jewish. That should start some nice flubberdy-dubbing.

Smile very nicely while you are doing it, and invite them over for Sabbath dinner "on the REAL day -- you know, Friday night."

If the mother is Jewish, the children are Jewish! I'd love to be there to see their heads explode!:rofl:

Most Christians in the beginning came from Jewish decent. So is everyone Jewish? Mary was jewish, wasn't she?

But as I understand it (my ex-wife is Jewish), in the Jewish religion the mother determines the religion of the children when they are born. I could be wrong tho...

On edit: I meant no - not everyone is Jewish, not no - Mary wasn't Jewish.

Just because it's tradition in the Jewish faith, doesn't make it binding to a Christian spouse.

In the Jewish religion, the religion of the mother determines the religion of the children. I was just saying that the OP could say that and watch the freepers heads explode!

Maybe this is something in christian dogma that I missed...but considering Jesus was Jewish, his mother surely had to be (unless there's that immaculate conception exemption...LOL).

From one with nearly 50 years of being Jewish and a family full of 'em...the religion is passed on by the mother. Some orthodox refuse to recognize children from a mixed marriage or a mother who converts.

If you give birth by immaculate conception, you are automatically considered Mormon.

nice :)

...and she goes to a megachurch.

And she said something really horrible about Jews tonight.

I am *so* ashamed.

My sister recently joined some church run by Chuck Smith. I like to call it the Church of Chucky. I have to wonder how she and that Freeper she married feel about my Jewish husband.

http://www.willowcreek.org/

An evil cult.

my sister's new church. One of the chosen went on a mission to New Orleans and this was his letter to the rest of the congregation. Here's a snippet with a link to the entire story.

"The people who lived through this nightmare were traumatized to say the least. Thousands of believers and non-believers alike filled every Red Cross shelter within seven surrounding States. Not one person we talked with blamed God for the catastrophe. On the contrary, they thought they deserved it. It was very easy then to say that we all deserved it, but God sent a Savior to rescue us because of His great love. Our presence and prayers encouraged believers in these shelters to be salt and light. They then went out and witnessed to others."



http://www.ccphilly.org/home/katrina.asp

They are a scary bunch.

of course, Antonialee839.

My progressive friend has many bad memories, the result of dealing with Mr. Smith and his Calvary Chapel.

Baby Jesus is crying.

I was tempted to aim for it.

are all non-veterans and all republicans, however we get along great because they know better than to talk politics with me. I'm the loud, obnoxious, liberal, flamethrowing motherfucker who kicks ass if politics is the subject. We peacefully co-exist because when it comes to bush or iraq or social security or tax cuts or abortion or homosexuals they don't wanna fuck with me; and I'm the one with the I love me wall full of military paraphernalia highlighting my time supporting and defending the constitution which gives them the right to be dumbasses (an old line which still sticks in their craw.)

Sorry for the boring story but thought you might like to know that they don't always win the "oral" arguments.

Why did your boyfriend, as you said, have to knock some sense into you? :wtf:

Sounds to me like he should have knocked some sense into his freepnoid family.

Whenever the family gets together, there are always plenty of Republican talking points flowing out of his mouth, but just as quickly as they spew out, my sister takes swipes at them. Whenever my sister takes swipes at Republican talking points, his wife (who is from an old, established right wing family) gets a horrified look on her face. Soon my mom gets involved to agree with my sister, then my sister's husband (a former Republican) tries to take their son's side, then my father becomes involved, and soon it's a nasty political discussion on what's supposed to be a nice family get-together.

When it's up to me, I try to humorize it all. For example, at a recent family get-together where my nephew's wife's very rich and Republican family was present, we were all having a nice chat when suddenly my nephew mentioned something about his possibly getting a job with some Republican politician. They all stared at me, assuming I was insulted. Me, I just said, "That's great, Josh! You can't go wrong with these Republicans. Just do them a favor, and they turn into the world's best employment agency!" They didn't quite know whether they'd all just been insulted or complimented. :rofl:

Where the only reletives are my family who mostly share the same values I do.

My mother was the only Freeper tonight. My family and my (93 year old) grandmother laid low and none of us lit any fireworks. Lots of innocuous conversation... "What a lovely tree!"... "I love this wine, what's the brand on this again?"... "I wonder if this rain will turn to snow, I always love a white Christmas!"

Blech. But at least there wasn't any craziness.

Tomorrow is the kicker though. At least 2 Freeper brothers-in-law who are always raring for a fight will align with my mother. Christmas day is always the bigger trauma.

Glad you got through today without hurting anyone. Good luck on tomorrow. Check in and let us know how it went.

Florida so we won't be seeing tomorrow which is good because i don't want to have to speak in monosyllables all day.

or, "happy holidays". If that is your preference

love,

the best card we got. these people arent into the so called war either

my freeper people are comin tomorrow. and they dont talk politics in my house. they dont talk politics on christmas.

pharmacists who refuse to give women their birth control. I had an argument with my Freeper, Nascar loving sister-in-law tonight
about the Monkey and his spying. She insists the Constitution needs to be "updated". I tell you, sometimes I'm just frightened for our country, with such simple minded and cowardly people roaming around in it.

Christmas Eve dinner is at the home of Republican family aunt and uncle. I've never heard a freeper remark from them. They are so kind, to peoples faces and behind their backs. My uncle runs for office here, "non-partisan" judge, but everyone knows what party they are. He is one of the most decent men I know and I even let his sign go on my yard.
When he last ran someone came to my door for Gore. I told them I vote straight Dem ticket except my uncle. She said they were all voting for him and told me about his reputation (fair, kind, honest and all that jazz)

They never bring up politics, I don't with them. I'm not sure they voted bush in 04. If they brought it up I would sure ask them to explain.

At Christmas there is another Republican family that join us. They are bright and kind and funny. Their kids are bright and charming. We didn't talk much politics last year. He had tears in his eyes as he said he'd voted for Kerry, the first time he voted for a Dem president but the country comes before the party.

Much of my family I grew up with ARE freeper types. I can't imagine spending holidays with them. Any time with them is hard even if we don't talk politics these days. They still support bush, the war, nothing is his fault, the angry left just like to blame him and Clinton was the worst ever. All that. They are loud churchgoers, proclaiming their faith. Their churches met election day to pray for a bush victory. They gather for the holidays without me. Luckily they are several hors away and since my mom passed I have no obligation to join them.

I shudder to think of it. Well it is fun to innocently bring up Jesus and some of his quotes and piss them off but it is more fun to gather with those who truly are of good will.

Merry Christmas.

But for godsakes...are they really that stupid that a silly television con game can wrap them up into a fake "war on Christmas" nonsense? And that smug "christian" crap. . .if they were really christians, they wouldn't be sitting there making a Jewish guest feel uncomfortable. I love it when they quote that 85% number...I always ask them how many of that 85% follow Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson and the other nutcases. That usually brings silence.

It was Thanksgiving that I was ambushed by my fundie-gop-lovin MIL. It was the first time that she had been to our house since we had a blow-out right after the sElection, and it got loud again.

How can you even communicate with someone who reverts back to clenis everytime they have lost a point? The sad thing is, barring religion & politics, she really is a lovely lady.

n/t

In case you haven't noticed
It's Jesus' birthday
So get off your heathen (insert religion name) ass
And fucking celebrate!

We were at my parents'. They are both pubs; my mother is more the single-issue anti-abortion
voter, while Dad is more the dittohead. Neither have had anything bad to say about
Bush, but neither of them push it in our face too much, to their credit...and we reciprocate by not bringing up politics if we can avoid it.

But, we were playing Trivial Pursuit, and the question came up, "Who said, 'Our national
nightmare is over?'" Neither Mom (whom it was directed to) nor my siblings who were playing
recognized Gerald Ford commenting on Nixon's resignation, but after the answer was
revealed, my wife commented, "The things that are happening now make Watergate look like
a picnic". I'm thinking, "Oh oh...here we go", but Mom only said, "Oh, I know."

We didn't pursue it any farther that that, but...wow.

:shrug:

It's just as well, eh? :scared:

I boycotted last year's Christmas and the year before that my brother and I got into it over animal cruelty. I must say that * has divided this country like never before. I got halfway into the Christmas spirit, then realized it was probably just as well no one was going to celebrate. There would probably be a row.

Merry Christmas, Mr. *bush*. :eyes: