What would happen (would you do) If Bush used a Nuke?

In light of all the speculation about Bush now trying to extend his insantity into Iran. And the administrations infatuation with smaller more "tactical" nukes...I don't think it's out of the question.

Moreover, I think it's the kind of thing they absolutly could not/would not leak beforehand because the world would totally freak.

On the other hand...the notion of pre-emptively using a Nuke is exactly the kind of "Crazy Cowboy" "shock and awe" delusion that the Neocon's think would cow the world and assist their next Century of Dominance dreams of Empire. Yes yes I know about depleted uranium...but I'm talking about an actual nuclear explosion (and yes I know some of our conventional bombs are larger than tiny nukes...nonetheless)

SO I ask in all honesty. What do you think would happen in this country, in the world...and with you if he did it.

I'm inclined to think that I'd lose my mind. I can't imagine going back to work and just "doing business as usual". The Evil would be beyond imagining and while I am working within the system to change it now...I think something else would have to happen. What it is, I don't even know...it's so wild I can't wrap my mind around it.

Yet I fear it's something we may face.

What would you do?

http://www.guerrillafunk.com/audio/paris/Sonic_Jihad/what_would_you_do.wav

would they even tell us?

peace

so the Brainless Fool can come to the rescue. Cheney scares the hell out of me.

911x10000


peace

:grouphug:

From August 1, 2005 American Conservative by Philip Giraldi
"Deep Background
In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections."

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html

I am truly afraid.
BHN

if not our hood. We have those potassium - whatever pills, the means to seal the house and gas maskes, a two week supply to shelter here and to go packs.

Katrina taught us exactly what we are up against.

What a scary prospect and given what we know of the maniac in the White House, not outside the realm of possibility.

then I see the rest of the world going against us. I don't know if they would use nukes in retaliation or simply shut us down economically; I would suspect (and hope) for the latter. My worry then would be if Bush decided to nuke more countries in retaliation.

it's all talk to fool the stupid people (wingnuts) who don't know even the history of the last 25 years of american history

he has to pretend to be agin iran because iran put reagan/daddy in office in the first place

he is iran's best friend, proof of this the removal of iran's good enemy saddam

enjoy yr christmas, there will be no war in iran

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html
BHN

screwed up edited out (rephrased elsewhere)

I thought he was the Champion of Democracy or some such thing and didn't we have "No" position on Kuwait? I guess I don't see how we've acted in Iran's history as a certain indicator as to what we will do in the future.

That being said...I hope we dont.

strange editing issues tonight.

A POTUS can't wake up grumpy and nuke somebody. It doesn't work that way.

With these people you always gotta add "so far."

followed by ultimatums. These guys know how to create (the appearance) of political consensus.

peace

Over the top hilarious. Skewers both the right and the left.

but the latter part of the movie wasn't nearly as funny.

wonder why they didn't have any real folks (like they did for folks from hollywood i.e. mike moore, alex baldwin, etc.) representing the fucking crazies actually IN POWER and just poked fun instead at the folks on the front lines as whole :shrug:

still the first half is rotf funny!

i just saw it last week for the first time... i didn't care to see it after reading the du reviews but after a friend of mine told me about the song 'Team America, FUCK YEAH!' i thought i should check it out and it was definitely worth it - see my new avatar ;->

:hi:

peace

when the info was released this summer, so was the info about iran trying to develope nukes. Oddly, at the same time so was info about the Iranian Bourse, set to open in March '06. The iranian bourse (stock market) + improved relations with china and russia + an already faltering US economy = justification (per Cheney and cabal) for a pre-emptive strike against iran.

I won't get excited about that. Means very little.

peace

My point was not to brag about how great those contingency plans are. Many of them are unrealistic.

My point was not to get excited about the existence of any particular plan. They have tens of thousands of contingency plans for damn near everything.

rather, it would be planned (or has been) by the Neocons in order to elevate the international sense that we will stop at nothing..that we are bigger, badder, and meaner. And it won't be a suprise to them. Only to us, when it happens.

And this wasn't a prophecy...it was a query based on a concern.

I think they have better controls on the monkey than that. But taking your what if as an academic exercise, obviously I'd scream bloody murder (literally) and demand removal--no matter who he nuked.

and would accept the justice that would be meted out to us. If it means I have to die to help put a stop to this (i.e. die in a retaliatory strike), so be it.

might not seem the worst thing to worry about but it will hit the economy and ordinary people very hard. Global stockmarkets will fluctuate wildly too, basically another dose of neocon-sponsored chaos...

ed : sp

get us out in the streets...

us, you know, the ones whose taxes are paying for those atrocities.

two stolen elections by known tyrants and their congress didn't get us out in the streets...

cutting food stamps while stuffing the pockets of the wealthy and corporations...

KATRINA - GENOCIDE!!!...

we all keep drawing lines, they cross them, SMIRKING!!!, and we set our next line.

what IS enough?!!!?


peace

slowly boiling...

my heart.
grief for the world, grief for this country, grief for the fine people who try so hard, so bravely, while realizing, as you do, Protagoras

we are boiling

devastating!!! i do shriek it day in and out:
what will it take?! if what is is not enough, what is?!

still, then i feel met by one who knows as you do.
thank you for that precious camaraderie.


peace and solidarity

But as usual, he won't be taking responsibility for it.

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html
BHN

Nukes are traceable to the reactor they were made in. So if an American city gets hit, the entire world will know where the nuke material came from.

peace

And then they'll tell the public the truth,
just like they always do, right?

All that debris just up and vanished before it could be tested...

BHN

Any Northern hemisphere country that wanted to could get a sample.

that are floating around the black market.

I would think that if a terrorist group had a Russian nuke, that it would have been used by now.

Mass destruction seems to be of more use to illegitimate governments than to terrorist organizations.

If the US were to nuke anyone, the UN Security Council should immediately sanction them. Since it would be specifically against the US, they will not be able to veto it. If the Security Council did nothing, then they would be effectively condoning the action, rendering them completely worthless as anything other than a rubber stamp for the US. I don't even think that the UK will vote in favor of a preemptive nuclear strike by the US.

> and yes I know some of our conventional bombs are larger than tiny nukes...

This isn't true. Even our smallest nukes (say, "Davy Crocket" at its high-yield
setting of 20 tons) are more powerful than our most-powerful conventional
weapons. A 20 ton nuke is the equivalent of 20 tons of TNT so 40,000
pounds of TNT. The "MOAB", by comparison, is about 19,000 pounds
of explosives.

(And the "Davy Crocket" was a very, very puny nuke. Most nukes are far, far
more powerful.)

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast_bomb



Tesha

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except bitch about it to anyone who has to listen, like my elected representatives. Although, that's like being completely ignored.

since none *repeat none* of us are actually going to know unless/until it does happen. What is your answer (for those who didn't answer) to the actual question asked?

What do you "believe" you would do?

passed that point.

it is agony to look directly at what we are empowering here.

i think we must all step back and just sit down.


peace and solidarity

I'd get angry and find a way to peacefully
address my grievances to policy makers .

if you've got it, blog it--be prepared.

The Freeper chicks would virtually slide off their stools and the guys would stain their own blue suits...Half the USA would be ecstatic. Their chants would be heard around the block