My Right Wing Brother Bush/Reagan Supporter is having questions....

Background: My brother and I have never gotten along from "cradle" onward. We seem to have genes that come from different pools. We argue so much about politics that I almost can't bear to talk to him. But...what was different THIS TIME is that he engaged me in conversation...like for the FIRST TIME he's open to Dem Dialog. But his first "shot over the bow" to me was: "Why can't the Democrats offer an alternative to Bush...what's wrong with them."

What's sad is that I ended up in a tongue twister about how many Amendments to Bills in Congress that Dems have tried to DEFEAT and that the Media was given away with Reagan and then under Clinton's Term so that he's NOT HEARING what WE DEMS ARE DOING... It fell "flat" on his ears. He says to me...I wish there was an alternative...but I don't hear "anything" from the Dems.

WHAT DO WE DEMS DO ABOUT THIS?

ADDITIONAL THOUGHT: How many Average Americans would COME OVER TO US...If they really KNEW what we are DOING?

Or, is it that we don't have a STRONG ENOUGH VOICE. (I don't want one, myself) figuring some strong voice will be corrupted as a Messiah to the BushBots who are starting to dislike him and looking for ANOTHER HITLER like him and his PNAC CRIME FAMILY.

I don't have enough time or credibility to deal with my Brother...but I think it's "interesting" that he's SUDDENLY ASKING QUESTIONS.

:shrug:

or if he doesn't want to go online, download articles for him, espeically from Media Matters. Might make him ralize how the media is manipulated. Then send him Rep. Conyer's resolutions and the work behind them.

The Dems are doing plenty. But the media is controlled by *'s corporate buddies, so they don't report on it.

why don't you get a bit rhetorical on his ass and ask him why it is that he doesn't know what your upto?

why's he having to ask you for information instead of being informed from the media?

because their paymasters in both camps have the same agenda .. that's why

wake him up, it's your duty as his brother

but the republicans refuse to listen..They are so brainwashed by the Limbaushs and Insanity's that they just wont consider an alternative...

It's modeled after Pres. Kennedy's Apollo space project. The idea is to set a deadline for independence from fossil fuel and work toward that. Quite a few Democratic politicians are supporting this. Of course, it's not something that's getting too much coverage in the MSM but it's a great and innovative idea that would create thousands of jobs and help return this country to our technological supremacy and respect in the eyes of the world.

http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2004/04/14/apollo/

Give him an excuse to watch CSPAN every once in a while.

a repug...he refused to say a bad word about the Chimp ..but he was asking me so many questions I knew he was starting to have terrible doubts and questions. But, still he repeated the "Fox Meme" that Dems are "LIARS AND CHEATS," but he asked me WHAT DO WE HAVE AS AN ALTERNATIVE...And he was SINCERE in asking ME because he doesn't like me....

He's worried about his health care...he sees problems there...and I said back to him: "But you Repugs trashed Hillary and Bill Clinton when they brought up NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE!"

His "honest" reply to me way.."We didn't want to hear that then...but why are they not bringing it up NOW!"

It's like talking to the "Challenged in Hearing and Visuals."

I tried to tell him Dems have been offering bills and Amendments but that WE DEMS HAVE NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING. He didn't understand that...he says that Fox tells him that Dems are not supporting anything that will help Americans...but he said he's starting to think O'Lielly is maybe not giving him the right information....

As I said..He's a HARD CORE RIGHT WINGER...but he seemed THIS YEAR to have questions about Fox and Chimp and where America is going. And, he's always been into politics..but Not "MY DEM POLITICS." :shrug:

The gee, bro, what makes you think that we're interested in sucking around for another pounding like the last time? What evidence do we have, or what bona fides can you possibly proffer that you're interested in reasonable dialog THIS TIME? I'm sorry you shot your credibility during the 1990s and so far in the 21st century, but it's up to YOU to retrieve it and re-establish it.

At least, that's what I'd think. What I'd say, I don't rightly know.

those of "US" Dems who HAVE NO POWER FOR CHANGE...because for 11 YEARS...YOUR GUYS HAVE BEEN IN POWER!

He changed the subject and since we getting "hot under the collar with discussion" I said...Okay ...whatever...I'll talk to you in a couple of months." :-(

I figured it HAS TO COME FROM HIM...I really don't have a Dem Candidate at this point to stand behind.

It was sad for me to admit that. I know many DU'ers will say but John Edwards and John Kerry are the ones we should look to for '08. But, I didn't feel that would be true down the road.

And my RW Brother would NEVER VOTE FOR EITHER of them.......

He thinks Julliani is the ONE! :puke:

It's just possible that some new ideas are forming in your brother's brain (we can hope). He'll probably need some time to adjust to a roomier mind-set. In the meantime, you have the tools and the talent to keep him focused on his doubts, and to provide him with the information that will make sure these first stumbling steps down the right path don't get sidetracked.

It was one of their key platforms.

Was your brother not listening?

the Senate and House hearings live, then watch the MSM after to show him how they tweak the truth sometimes.

and when I tried to engage him about Political Discussions he gets all his "NEWS" from Fox and his local RIGHT WING REPUG NEWSPAPER.

I don't know what to do about him...but whatever source I quote...it seems he isn't interested in.

if they don't listen to fact. I just tell people like that they will be in for a rude awakening in a year or so.

money to afford Cable or Internet (which he thinks is Trash). :shrug:

My brother and I also have an ECONOMIC DIVIDE...but he has resources that would allow him to take party in everything "I HAVE" like Cable...He just REFUSES to feel he needs more info than the gets from Fox and his RW Repug Newspaper.

He does consistently vote...but you can understand what I'm up against here. I wonder how many other Christmas Converstations between Relatives took place that were like mine, though.

How much can we do with these folks who won't spend MONEY FOR DEM NEWS and yet seem to be doing what many of us Dems Want..in that they don't subscribe to the "Whore Media Cable?"

I really don't have ways to answer his questions. :shrug:

acceptable alternative, why not? What about his choice of Bush is he happy about, here in 2005 going on 2006?

of us might have. :shrug: They watched Fox and got into the "
Swift Boat Liars stuf." :shrug:

The media & the Republicans demonized Kerry/Edwards so effectively that a LOT of moderates & Republicans thought Bush was the lesser of two evils. Remember, John Edwards was a millionaire trial lawyer? How often were Bush or Cheney called millionaire oil executives?

Same with Gore in 2000. Same with Dukakis in '88.

of things the Dems were doing in Congress. It was a great compilation.

have time to MAKE TIME to get into what we all are doing trying to Uphold or Constitution and "Bill of Rights.'

Most Americans are out there like us "beating the shrubs to find NEW JOBS!"

They have families and obligations that only allow their wives to get "Recipes" from the WEB and their Kids to get some "Homework Coverage" and to play "Video Games.

DU is a very "Tech Friendly Site" but not ALL Ameiricans can get into "Streaming webs Service of Al Franken" or "UpDages on the latest Voter Fraud by Diebold ...or Why Bush is a total Fuck Up to the Contitution/Bill or Rights....etc....etc....etc...

MOST AMERICANS "Tune it In" at 6:00 or 6:30...and WHAT TRUED NEWS is OUT THERE Then? :shrug:

I can't blame them for their "lack of trime." I blame REAGON dissing the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" and the "CLENIS" coming along behind him and allowing Michael Powell (Colin's Son) to take over FCC and the RW MEDIA to contantly dog Clinto on his heels and EVERY DEM WHO FOLLWED HIM!

Most Dems weren't into the "Lewinsky/Tripp/RW DEAL." Mostly because they didn't have enough "InFO" to figure it all out.

How we go forward, very much depends on these "Questioners."

If I can't answer the "Questioners" then what the hell am I doing fighting about this all these years? :shrug:

That is the conundrum of the ABB, yes? I think it's mainstream. "It's working." Yes.
Of course we are professionals, and we've determined that bush will come down, and finally,
"we" the collective truth seekers have accumulated more than enough evidence of crime that
even a wooden post would be distrustful of bush.

But where we stand is on the san andreas fault. One one side are the corproatists DLC
clintonists greasy third way vichy dems... and the other, the anti-corporate paleo-conservatives
who've been driven out of the puke party to house with the dems in a tent perhaps too large
in an odd irony.

Kucinich Vs. lieberman in metaphor of personalities, and every democratic elected official
somewhere on a spectrum between the two poles. What policy common is there between
kucinich and lieberman? We know all too well the "green" chasm, and hope that focusing
on global warming, and goody feel good we-agree sunshine politics will erase the chasm,
to naught.

Layered on top of this is a global rejection of american hegemony towards an active
multipolarism that is driving international relations today towards increasing stress
with bush-amerikanana. (we have a big problem buried in the yard).

What is the democratic response.

I hope to hell its a libertarian progressive, goddammit... and god bless the bastard that
pulls it off, as we are not a party except a mob untrained but to tossing eggs over the
bush terms.

for "His type of voter." And, until we Dems come up with another Great "Talker" like Clinton or a REAGAN (liar) then he and his RW Repugs are looking with "starry eyes for Juliana or McCain to carry on the Bush Torch.

:-(

My Brother...like most Right Wings (and he IS NOT A CHISTIAN FUNDIE) seem to always look for "DICTATORS" over "DISCUSSION." For "FIGURE HEADS OF POWER" over "VOICES OF REASON."

It doesn't matter to THEM what he Arguments and Dialogs are about POLICY for America to move FORWARD... To "THEM" it's about a STRONG MAN! A STRONG VOICE...a DICTATOR!!! In Other Words.

I can't deal with that mindset ...it get's me CRAZY.... :crazy:

If so, then there's nothing can be done to save him. If not, you should point out that perhaps he should question how he came to that decision, and the information that he gets.

mouthpiece. This isn't coincidence - the Right planned this over a long period of time.