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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:06 AM
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Iraq: "We are worse now than before" (** Caution Graphic Pictures **)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/international/middleeast/26testimony1.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1135572586-8pDqfsDKfyCNzczUDOUZ7w

The Face and Voice of Civilian Sacrifice in Iraq

IN Iraq, nobody knows, and few in authority seem concerned to count, just how many civilians have been killed and injured. Soon it will be three years since the American-led invasion. The estimates of those killed run into the tens of thousands, the numbers of wounded two or three times the number who lost their lives. Even President Bush, estimating recently that 30,000 civilians may have been killed, acknowledged that was no more than an abstraction from unofficial calculations, not a Pentagon count.



“We once lived in a good place, but that was before the war. It got expensive after the war so we moved out. Now everything costs so much. The rents are too high. Food is not cheap. My husband can’t find work, so we live here. This war did little to help us. We are worse now than before. And to make matters worse, I am pregnant again.”

- NAHAD JABAR JOUAD, center
Living in an abandoned building with her husband and children



“We received a call from Baghdad. My husband answered. He got off the phone. He was nervous, worried and announced, ‘I am going to Baghdad.’ He was yelling. He never yells. I ask, ‘What’s going on in Baghdad?’ He will not tell me. He says something bad happened to my son. I grabbed him by his clothing and demanded to know what happened to my son. He refused and left the house. I don’t know where he was going. I don’t know what to do. Do I cry, do I slap myself? Do I tell my son’s wife? She is nine months pregnant.”

- FADHILAA HAMZA ABED, right
Mother of a man wounded in a suicide bombing



“I was at home with my sister. She asked me to buy some ice cream. So I thought: ‘Good idea. I’ll get one for you and one for me.’ I remember walking toward the market. Then, an explosion. I woke up at the hospital. Now I am burnt. My ankle is broken. My body is filled with shrapnel.”

- ALI KHALIL THEJEIL, 22
Wounded when a bomb ignited a fuel truck



“He was a very brave boy. Nothing scared him. Nothing can prepare you for the death of your son.”

- FATHER OF BASHIR ADIL KHAMES AL-MAYAKI, left

“My son saw a man. He suspected he was a bomber. He tackled the terrorist, wrapped his arms around him as he detonated. There were many people in the street. He saved so many of them.”

- FATHER OF NASSER ABID MUHSIN, center

“He sacrificed himself for his country. He was 18 years old. He had served for two and a half years. He was our youngest son. We are proud of what he did.”

- FATHER OF ALI MAYID KHALAF, right

The fathers of Iraqi soldiers killed by suicide bombers



“We had just started playing. Then I woke up in the hospital. I heard that Muhammad was also hurt. I do not know if he has burns or open wounds. I am just waiting to get out of the hospital so I can play again. I told my mother to tell my brother not to play outside anymore.”

- HADER REDHA, 11
Wounded when a bomb ignited a fuel truck



“My grandfather and I took down our curtains in our home so we could wrap the dead boys in them. He did not want them to lie exposed, uncovered, in the streets. First, we tore the curtains in half. Then my grandfather and I went into the street. Together we wrapped my dead friends. We used to play soccer 11 on a side. Now there’s only enough for three against three.”

- MUHAMMAD SATTAR, 11, second from left
Twin brother was killed in a bombing



“I drove to a place near Abu Ghraib. There were three of them in the car. I told them, ‘I will give the money but first give me my father.’ They refuse and tell me to wait half an hour and your father will come. What could I do? I gave the money, and I waited two hours. He never arrived. That was 10 days ago.”

- MUAID, 24, left

“We don’t know what to do. The only advice we get from the officials is to pay more money and maybe he will be released. We sold almost everything to pay the ransom, and our uncles and cousin all have given money. We do not know what options remain.”

- MUHAMMAD, 26, right

Their father was kidnapped last summer



“The police officer had sustained three injuries to the chest. The wounds were the result of a terror attack. Vital signs unstable. He was seriously injured. He was dying. There were eight doctors working on him; three were specialists. When he was declared dead, his fellow officers attacked the doctors and nurses. They blamed us for his death. They then destroyed our emergency room. In the last few months, such attacks have become the norm.”

- DR. AHMED MUTHAFAR
Emergency room doctor



“After the shooting stopped, the American convoy continued driving. I thought only the driver was hit. His injuries were serious but not life threatening. When I looked into the back seat, I found my wife and two children covered in blood. I realized my wife was dead. My daughter was dead. I tried to lift my daughter. Parts of her brain fell from the wound on the side of her head. My baby boy was covered with blood and wounds. He survived. I don’t know why the Americans shot at us.”

- AHMED MOAYDA, WITH HIS SON, HAMZA
Said his family was fired on by an American convoy as they were traveling by car from Baghdad to Jordan



"I came to Baghdad looking for a jobr. I decided to join the army or police department. I went to the recruiting center. The bomber was among us, talking with us. A stranger saved my life. He yells, 'Come over here with me, I want to talk to you.' I had gone maybe two or three meters. ... There was an explosion."

- HIDER FESAL RIDHEY, 22
Wounded in a suicide bombing



"I trained to be a hairdresser. First I went to school. Then I began to work at a shop. I really liked it. ... One day they came and told us to shut down the shop. We did not. They returned again and threatened us. Later, the shop was destroyed by an explosion. Now I stay at home all day. I really miss my job, getting out. I have lost everything I worked for. It is gone forever."

- VIVIAN, 23
Says she feels it is too dangerous to work in public



"They covered my eyes and tied my hands behind my back. They locked me up for four days in a room. No food, no drink; every day they beat me. On the fifth day, they come into the room and start talking. They are talking about a ransom. They want money, but I know I am negotiating for my life. They have orders to kill me. I had to stay calm, level-headed."

- JAASIM ABRIHYM
Kidnapping victim


















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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:15 AM
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1. Heartbreaking.
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 12:18 AM by beam me up scottie
Took everything I had just to finish reading their stories.

I can't imagine what it's like to live them.



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"My grandfather and I took down our curtains in our home so we could wrap the dead boys in them. He did not want them to lie exposed, uncovered, in the streets. First, we tore the curtains in half. Then my grandfather and I went into the street. Together we wrapped my dead friends. We used to play soccer 11 on a side. Now there’s only enough for three against three."

- MUHAMMAD SATTAR, 11, second from left
Twin brother was killed in a bombing
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:22 AM
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2. Is this madness or evil? I just don't know how to describe it.
If I call it madness, it excuses the evil. But it's something more than evil. What kind of a mind can plan, execute and justify this miserable attack on humanity! Can such people be sane?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:38 AM
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3.  the treasure of baghdad`s
conversation with a friend who didn`t know he was in the states..his friend thinks treasure will be killed when he returns to iraq. he also told treasure that the situation in iraq is getting worse every day-more kidnappings and killings.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:52 AM
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4. I went off on a freeper at work
when he repeated that stupid rw talking point about how the liberal media never shows all of the good things that are happening in Iraq.

He couldn't name any.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:00 AM
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8. LOL. Good job!
That shit always gets me too. Stupid asses can never come up with anything. Wonder why that is?

:sarcasm:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 03:36 PM
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19. I just started this job
a month ago.

It's wall to wall freepers and I was trying to maintain a low profile.

Man did I ever blow my cover-the dude I went off on is the company bigmouth. :banghead:
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:58 PM
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16. maybe you could remind him of the democracy youve installed
the one where the candidate with the most votes loses and they put in a puppet governer of their own choice anyway angering the population?

hang on ... where else has that happened recently? :blush:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 03:39 PM
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20. They don't know what a
democracy is. I'm afraid we'll never get ours back.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 12:57 AM
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5. War crimes
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:59 AM
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6. Thank you for posting this.
I only wish that people who aren't already convinced of the evilness of this war would see this.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:15 AM
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13. you are welcome. I have the same wish as you...
peace.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:33 AM
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7. kick. nomination.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:36 AM
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9. I am shocked the NYTs printed this
very shocked.
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:06 PM
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29. hey leftchick
dont take my silence as consent babe, i just dont think they are worth talking too ;)

happy holidays hun x
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:44 AM
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10. Thank you for this, Sabra.
As another poster stated, this is heartbreaking. Nominated!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 08:26 AM
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11. Seems liberty, freedom and democracy often come at a high price
:grr:
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:50 PM
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15. I DO HOPE YOUR BEING SARCASTIC
oops caps :(

liberty? freedom? democracy?

you think you got any of those 3 right now?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 02:41 PM
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17. Sarcastic beyond belief
;)
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YourBrother Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 03:06 PM
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18. phew!
i know my sarcasm falls over when in 2D text ...

happy holidays bro
:woohoo:
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:27 AM
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12. and none of this was happening before * "liberated" them
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 11:42 AM
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14. Prize-worthy photojournalism
I didn't know it still existed in the MSM.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 03:42 PM
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21. Even counting this article...
...it has occurred to me recently how very, very little we hear about real conditions in Iraq. Wouldn't you think that there would be daily, numberous postings from those inside Iraq talking about conditions there? Where are all the websites? Where are all the Iraqi bloggers?

I know there are a couple that visit Iraq and post their observations, but I'm wondering about why Iraqiis aren't able or willing to tell the world what is going on in this digital age of information.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:26 PM
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24. I've tried to find informative Iraqi blogs but haven't had much luck.
Not much at riverbend anymore: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

1. Here's a list, but the ones I went to are not that informative or up to date:

Blogs From Iraqis In Iraq: http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/04/1676988.php

Raed In The Middle
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/
Baghdad Burning
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
A Family In Baghdad
http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/
Imad Khadduri
http://abutamam.blogspot.com/
Khalid
http://secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com/
A Star From Mosul
http://astarfrommosul.blogspot.com/
Truth about Iraqis
http://truth-about-iraqis.blogspot.com/
Treasure of Baghdad
http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/
Majid
http://me-vs-myself.blogspot.com/
Salam Pax
http://dear_raed.blogspot.com
Al Muajaha
http://www.almuajaha.com/
Iraqi Spirit
http://iraqispirit.blogspot.com/
Healing Iraq
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
Nationalist Kurdish Blogger
http://kurdo.blogspot.com/

Blogs by Iraqis and people from the region now in the US:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://iraqibloggers.blogspot.com/

Blogs By Internationals In Iraq:
Dahr Jamail
http://blog.zmag.org/iraqdispatches/
Empire Notes
http://www.empirenotes.org/
Wildfire
http://wildfirejo.blogspot.com/
http://www.wildfirejo.org.uk/feature/list/iraq/index.php


Blogs About Iraq:
Back To Iraq
http://www.back-to-iraq.com/


2. Here's another bunch on: http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
Right column:
Blogs: Iraq
# Ali Mohammed
# An Iraqi's thoughts
# Baghdad Girl
# Beth-Nahrain
# Days of My Life
# Democracy in Iraq
# Diary from Baghdad
# Diwaniya
# Emotions
# Friends of Democracy
# Hammorabi
# Healing Iraq
# Ibn Al Rafidain
# Iraq at a glance
# Iraqi Expat
# Iraqi4Ever
# Iraqi Humanity
# Iraqi in America
# Iraqi Kurdistan
# Iraq Pundit
# Iraq Rising
# Iraqi Vote, The
# Ishtaria
# Kardox
# Kurdo's world
# Mesopotamian
# Nabil's blog
# Neurotic Iraqi wife
# Pearls of Iraq
# Sooni
# Talisman Gate
# Treasure of Baghdad

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:22 PM
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22. Iraqi worshippers risk their lives to celebrate Christmas in church
"Freedom on the march"..except religious freedom, that is.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1958923,00.html

IRAQIS gathered for Christmas behind Kalashnikovs yesterday. Midnight Mass was cancelled because of bombing fears and curfews, but the country’s rapidly dwindling Christian minority turned out in their thousands for early morning services.

Protected under Saddam, Christians once numbered between 600,000 and 700,000 in Iraq, but church officials say that about half have now fled, especially from the south, where militias linked to Iraq’s ruling parties have waged a three-year campaign to Islamise the country at gunpoint.

Priests have been threatened and killed, women abused in the street for not wearing veils and three months ago the entire lay leadership of Iraq’s main Anglican church were ambushed and killed.


Although many shy away from criticism of their Muslim countrymen, fear is close to the surface. Father Haritounian, a priest from Basra, told how he had been driven out of the town by death threats from Muslim fanatics. The final ultimatum had been delivered, he said, by men wearing police uniforms who arrived at his church in a police car 18 months ago. “They read from a note which said, ‘Either leave Basra or you will be killed. You have only one week’,” he told The Times. “They said, ‘We have already warned you and you did not respond. If you do not go now your blood is on your hands.’


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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 08:57 AM
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26. Half of the Iraqi Christians in Exile
It goes to show how Bush has promoted intolerance rather than democracy.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:57 PM
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23. May God forgive US
The eyes. The emptiness in the eyes of the people who's lives we have devastated.


This clearly debunks the talking point used by many in DC that the Iraqi people are better off now then they were before we invaded. We must end this maddness.






:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 08:49 PM
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25. Very moving. Thank you for this, Sabra.
Sad, but something everyone needs to see.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 09:06 AM
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27. The faces of "collateral damage" wrought by ambitious politicians.
Of course, by causing this barbarism, we are "fighting terrorism", sayeth the same politicians.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:40 AM
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28. "laying the foundation for freedom for the years to come"
* loves that line :puke:
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