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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:15 AM
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Court OKs Cell Phone Tracking Without Warrant (Can you hear me now...Good)
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 01:15 AM by mshasta
Court OKs Cell Phone Tracking Without Warrant

www.phonescoop.com

Thursday, 12:54 PM source: EFF

A US District Court in New York has granted the government permission to track suspects by their cell phones for up to 60 days without a warrant. According to the ruling, law enforcement officers can ask a carrier for a record of what tower a user makes calls from during that period as well as a map of all tower locations. This court order does not include requests for e911-derived aGPS or triangulated locations, which are far more accurate. In this case most carriers will only be able to locate a suspect somewhere inside a large circle around a tower, although one unnamed carrier will be able to further narrow the position to one of three 120 degree sectors.

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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:23 AM
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1. This seems to be trying to find a "suspect." Someone actually
"suspected" of doing something. As opposed to eavesdropping on just anybody.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 05:26 AM
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6. Nowadays just about anybody can be considered a suspect
After all PETA is a "terrorist organization", anyone who is not white is automatically suspicious and checking the wrong book out of the library can automatically get you flagged by the FBI.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:36 PM
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11. Just an FYI that student that said the FBI came to see him after checking
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 06:37 PM by Miss Chybil
out Mao's Red Book admitted he made the story up. But, I know what you mean.

I've been listening to all these people call into radio shows saying they don't care if the government listens to their converstations - they have nothing to hide. Neither do I - have anything to hide. What these people don't realize, however, is someday somebody could come to power who doesn't happen to like their brand of religion, or their lifestyle, or what kind of music they listen to, (think back to the Chinese revolution when Western music was banned), and then they will have something to hide. It's not a matter of whether you are a criminal, or not. So, your statement about anybody being considered a "suspect," is correct. BUT, if one is going to request a warrant, one must demonstrate WHY one believes someone to be a suspect. It's a small safeguard, but better than nothing.

In this story, it seems to me, the authorities are looking for a particular person, they believe to be a suspect. Not casting a big net to see if they might catch somebody doing something wrong.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:35 AM
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2. I just walked outside ---
and tossed my cell phone into the dumpster.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:37 AM
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3. Even "suspects" have rights
...or at least they used to.

And aren't we all "suspects" now?
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:41 AM
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4. Dial #878 send if you have Verizon
Edited on Mon Dec-26-05 01:43 AM by mshasta
It will give you all the information cell site, sector. a cell site is divided into 3 sectors 1, 2, 3, you can walk in a circle to get all three sectors. ....just something I read on the internets..Remember in todays Amerika you are all a suspect look at the Quackers and their meetings.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 01:42 AM
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5. Never say on a phone...
what you wouldn't want your mother to hear at your trial.

Now we can add "Never take your phone where you don't want people to know where you've been."
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 06:10 AM
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7. My phone's GPS can be shut off. eom
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 09:09 PM
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9. they still know where you are.
Your phone constantly sends a signal to the cell site to let the provider know exactly where you are. That is why when you travel and roam you dont have to let the cell carrier know where you and they are able to deliver your calls to you.

In the old days it was call follow me roaming now its all automatic.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:40 PM
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10. A freaky thing happened the other day. I recently changed my landline
service and now have caller ID. My son called me with his cell phone and not only the number appeared but my name (the phone is under my name). That was after I wrote my post!
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:40 PM
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12. I wonder if the CIA has figured this out yet? See article below
CIA's bungled Italy job
Sloppy use of cell phones, other missteps help police unravel cleric's 2003 abduction

By John Crewdson
Tribune senior correspondent
Published December 25, 2005


MILAN, Italy -- The trick is known to just about every two-bit crook in the cellular age: If you don't want the cops to know where you are, take the battery out of your cell phone when it's not in use.

Had that trick been taught at the CIA's rural Virginia training school for covert operatives, the Bush administration might have avoided much of the current crisis in Europe over the practice the CIA calls "rendition," and CIA Director Porter Goss might not have ordered a sweeping review of the agency's field operations.

But when CIA operatives assembled here nearly three years ago to abduct an Egyptian-born Muslim preacher named Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, more familiarly known as Abu Omar, and "render" him to Cairo, they left their cell phone batteries in.

Even when not in use, a cell phone sends a periodic signal indicating its location, enabling the worldwide cellular network to know where to look for it in case of an incoming call.

More at:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0512...
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-26-05 07:00 AM
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8. Ha, i've to update my image of a cell phone
The new image is having to carry a locator beacon to be monitored, a
microphone, a camera and a monitoring package not shy of star trek,
and if i don't want to be monitored, i put the mobile in a stainless
steel box inside the glove box of the car, just in case for car-emergency.

And another small steel box around the one in my handbag, similarly "off"
except for emergency. And when i speak or write in to a hand set, i presume
that whatever i put there will be stolen and put on every website on earth
within 24 hours. What a way to steal all the intellectual property of every
person on earth, patent it, and charge the customer for using their own
patent, being themselves.

Then again, the subcutaneous cell phone is the future, and then the world
really will become a borg colony.
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