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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:03 AM
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WP: Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453_pf.html

Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb
U.S. Intelligence Review Contrasts With Administration Statements

A major U.S. intelligence review has projected that Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years, according to government sources with firsthand knowledge of the new analysis.

The carefully hedged assessments, which represent consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies, contrast with forceful public statements by the White House. Administration officials have asserted, but have not offered proof, that Tehran is moving determinedly toward a nuclear arsenal. The new estimate could provide more time for diplomacy with Iran over its nuclear ambitions. President Bush has said that he wants the crisis resolved diplomatically but that "all options are on the table."

The new National Intelligence Estimate includes what the intelligence community views as credible indicators that Iran's military is conducting clandestine work. But the sources said there is no information linking those projects directly to a nuclear weapons program. What is clear is that Iran, mostly through its energy program, is acquiring and mastering technologies that could be diverted to bombmaking.

The estimate expresses uncertainty about whether Iran's ruling clerics have made a decision to build a nuclear arsenal, three U.S. sources said. Still, a senior intelligence official familiar with the findings said that "it is the judgment of the intelligence community that, left to its own devices, Iran is determined to build nuclear weapons."


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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:05 AM
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1. israeL just said they were onLy 2 years away
we can't even wait that Long or the smoking gun wiLL be a mushroom cLoud!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:06 AM
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2. it's total dejavu, I've seen 6 months to 10+ years....
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:11 AM
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4. Terror! Terror! Terror!
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 AM
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3. as long as they feel threatened . . . .
they will probably feel compelled to push forward.

Personally I feel that no nation should have nukes -- there are too many fundamentalists nut cases who just might use them (this is just one obvious reason).
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:01 PM
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10. Here's why Iran feels threatened:
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6th Borough Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:57 PM
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14. Agree re: no nukes; unfortunately,only 1 country has scrapped their arsena
Hence the inflexibility inherent on global non-proliferation initiatives. It's difficult to lead by example when few such examples exist.

The only member of the "nuclear club" to subsequently leave it's ranks has been South Africa, which scrapped it's entire weapons-related nuclear program along with the "fruits" of their efforts, a fully operational, deliverable nuclear weapon stockpile.

I'm not including the various ex-Soviet republics that returned the weapons based on their soil to Russia, since, on their own, they didn't nor currently do they have the means to develop them on their own. Sent back to Russia, with love.

Of course, most members of the "club" (U.S., France, Britain, Russia, China, India, Israel, Pakistan...Germany?) are among the vocal of nations in the non-proliferation effort. Which goes back to my original point (if I had one...that's another story); whether in a realpolitik or utopian world (or, for that matter, anywhere in between), the status quo amongst those not in the club will be insecure as long as the status quo holds for the "club"; trending towards further nuclear weapons development for the foreseeable future.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:35 AM
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5. As long as
the United States has a full nuclear arsenal, other countries will feel the need to have them as well. Disarmament has to end at home.

The PNAC goal of keeping military superiority forever, even if I thought that were possible or desirable, is in tatters......unless the US can maintain firepower. The human side of the military is broken.

I see this mess going on for a very long time........
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:42 AM
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7. The great equalizer
Nuclear weapons will be the great equalizer. The more equal we all are the better chance for peace. As long as we are the lone superpower we will continue to run over those countries that our leaders disagree with, just like Iraq.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:40 PM
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8. bizarre post
you're saying the proliferation of nuclear weapons around the globe is a good thing? you think nuclear weapons in the hands of religious extremists in the middle east is a good idea?

you're joking, right?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 12:58 PM
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9. No.
That's not what I was saying at all.

What I'm saying is that the proliferation of nuclear weapons is inevitable, as long as the US continues to keep the arsenal and develop more. America simply cannot maintain superiority in firepower without the rest of the world working at catching up.......especially China.

I didn't say that was a good thing. I'm just pointing out that is the reality.

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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:11 PM
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11. i wasn't responding to you....
i was responding to jayhawk, who seems to make a habit of saying some strange things.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:44 PM
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13. Either take them from Israel or let Iran have them
Israel is as extremist as the next guy.
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6th Borough Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:25 PM
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24. Nukes don't just get taken away.
Edited on Tue Dec-27-05 06:46 PM by 6th Borough
A more accurate statement on my part would be "never have".

If geopolitics were that simple, utopian ideas might not so readily be dismissed as too, well...utopian.

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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:32 PM
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19. Proliferaton will continue.
The tribal instinct and the lust for power is alive and well. The US and probably other countries are refining their arsenals, developing new weapons. The US fumbled the peace ball and lost the ability to be a leader for lasting peace.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:38 PM
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21. The U. S. has thousands of nuclear weapons in the hands of religious....
...extremists. I bet the rest of the world is FAR less amused by that.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:03 PM
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22. well, that's not really true........
.....people like rummy, cheney, and the rest of the repub frontmen and enron, and the multinational corps that run the country are anything but religious extremists. the fundy freaks are manipulated by the republican party for votes but they hardly have their finger on the trigger of any nukes.

the wars we wage are for oil and for the benefit of the military industrial complex.

that said, i'm sure the world still is not amused.
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 10:42 AM
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6. Isn't pretty much anyone 10 years away, if thats what they want to do?
Thats a fairly dumb statement. We invented the damn things in 6 years, from scratch. I would think any nation with the requisite industrial base could be considered 10 years away, even if they were starting from scratch and had no program at all.

On your mark, get set, go. . . and ten years later, "boom."
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 01:42 PM
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12. Very good point.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:43 PM
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15. 10 Years?
I don't think Bush can wait that long.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:52 PM
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16. I Doubt That Dubya Would Wait 10 Years to Bomb Them
First of all, he's impatient; second, he's due to be evicted any day now.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:19 PM
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18. Netanyahu
has announced that he will attack Iran if he wins the Israeli election in March.
The regional war could start as early as 4 months from now.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 02:55 PM
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17. They're just "Keepin up with the Jones's". Look at where Iran is located.
Near Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, N Korea and the US presence in the ME. All of whom have nukes.
Can you blame them for wanting to protect themselves?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 04:34 PM
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20. I swear they recycle "news" stories and just change "Iraq" to "Iran"
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6th Borough Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:48 PM
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26. Iran is the new Iraq...after labor day, I think. /NT
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:24 PM
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23. That means we need to bomb them
before the 2006 elections.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:36 PM
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25. Look at the date: August 2, 2005. Not LBN? n/t
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