Could CA elect a Green Governor

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=19987&mesg_id=19987&page=

If so, what are the implications of this?

especially on the greens. why don't you take a stab at it?

I looked at the CA green sites and it seems that they are having their own infighting. A lot of them(Greens) were upset that Camejo is putting himself on the ballot.

Stranger things have happened though. This is California and we invented strange. If a Green candidate did get to be Governor it would make for a really big laugh at the Republican's expense. I am laughing thinking about it. It would be good for the Democrats in the Senate and Assembly as well and very, very baaaad for the Repukes.

I think it would be a hell of a lot more good than bad though. The Democrats would look at it as a sign to make a HARD LEFT. The DLC & so-called PPI wouldn't have a home anymore.

It could balance the budget and I'm sure all the business leaders would be excited about their new tax burden and insure they stay put in CA to reap the benefits. All those high income earners would be more than happy to pay an extra share of their income to get the social programs out of the red.

If on the ballot you had a Green candidate and a Repuke, I know I would vote for the Green and most Democrats I know would too. Most of us lean Green anyway, we just don't vote that way to keep the Repukes out of office. Repukes should be careful of what the wish for. Get rid of Davis and get a real liberal instead. :bounce:

Davis will resign between now and the primaries if things get too hot. His lieutenant gov sounds like a good guy; what do the CA Dems think?

If it looks like Davis will lose the recall vote, and he resigns, who becomes Govenor? Is the recall then cancelled?

becomes Gov.

Sounds like a great way to get the Repukes to spend oodles of campaign cash on recall campaign, only to pull the rug out from under them at the last minute if Davis resigns.

I like it.

Gray is too tough; he will fight, and he will win. His poll numbers will change when a budget is passed. time to start collecting signatures of our own to recall pukes in time for the primary elections.

But if numbers are swayed greatly toward recall going into the primary, I would expect him to resign. Ambivalence? Then I think he will stay. He obviously thinks this is a lot of partisan crap and is being dismissive. I think that is an effective strategy, but I don't know enough about the situation to make a call. I've heard both extremes about CA's feelings towards Davis.

judging by their performance at the ballot box in 2000.

what we will get is a right wing republican,and we will richly deserve it.

sounds like "Clinton's dick! Clinton's dick!"

OTOH, Cruz Bustamante is well supported well liked and deeply connected. He comes from the farming community of Dinuba, he is 1st gen. American. He has been in statewide politics since 93 I believe. His core constituency is the large farming interests of the Fresno Area together with the hispanic labor vote that is often credited with keeping Dukmejian in power before Davis.

He's wired in to the power network in CA, and would fill te Gov's shoes nicely.

What's irritating about the poll numbers they keep splasj=hing all around is the sample is described as

"likely voters in a recall election"

Does this sound a little skewed to oyu? Believe me, this attempted coup will go down to resounding defeat if the only dems that voted in 2000 show up. If we get REALLY PISSED, and the base is energized, it could be overwhelming the defeat this measure sees.

Most of us are quite smug about this because we know it's true.:) We have the overwhelming numbers; look at the top state office holders . ALL, 100% DEMS.

I'm annoyed, but not worried.

OTOH, Cruz Bustamante is well supported well liked and deeply connected. He comes from the farming community of Dinuba, he is 1st gen. American. He has been in statewide politics since 93 I believe. His core constituency is the large farming interests of the Fresno Area together with the hispanic labor vote that is often credited with keeping Dukmejian in power before Davis.

He's wired in to the power network in CA, and would fill te Gov's shoes nicely.

What's irritating about the poll numbers they keep splashing all around is the sample is described as

"likely voters in a recall election"

Does this sound a little skewed to oyu? Believe me, this attempted coup will go down to resounding defeat if the only dems that voted in 2000 show up. If we get REALLY PISSED, and the base is energized, it could be overwhelming the defeat this measure sees.

Most of us are quite smug about this because we know it's true.:) We have the overwhelming numbers; look at the top state office holders . ALL, 100% DEMS.

I'm annoyed, but not worried.

The Republicans could split several different ways, the Democrats won't run anybody. That will leave the center and left united (let's hope) behind Camejo.

Camejo, in spite of some of his unorthadox views, is actually a very able man and might make a good governor. He is certainly preferable ot Derrel Issa or Arnold Schwartzenegger.

thats just all there is to it :nuke:

You are incorrect. The question was Could California elect a Green Goveror? My answer is that it is a possibility. So is ending up with a yuppie fascist like Issa.

To answer another of your posts on this thread, sir, I am not going to vote to recall Governor Davis in order to make Camejo governor. As things stand now, I am going to vote NO on the recall question and vote for Camejo as a replacement candidate.

After all, the Democrats seem intent on running nobody as a replacement for Davis should the recall question carry. That seems a foolish strategy to me.

there comes a time when you have to put or shut up. Davis went thru a primary, then an election. He won both he hasn't commited any crimes,asn servred honorably in 'Nom , I believe. Yes he has spent lots of bucks, most of it cleaning up after Puke gov's like wilson,There has been a lot of energy spent denouncing Davis by so called Dems that should be spent pressuring the thugs in sacramento to get a budget passed. My own assembly person, Bonnie Garcia,for example, only won by 2500 votes for example, and should be facing a recall to coincide with our March primariy. Instead we have progressives saying how bad Davis is -to the world, and quietly saying that they are against recall. the time has come to fight no matter if we lose, fight, cutting and running serves to legitimize the puke case

would not allow Camejo in the same county when "debates" were staged.
He is a piece of crap coward, and representative of the Democratic Party's idea of "democracy" that's good enough for the citizen/subjects.

If a special election is held before the March primary, then name recognition will be the predominate factor in what looks to be a plurality field.

Warren Beaty, anyone?

The Green Party in California would suddenly get legitimized beyond their own belief. You would have a Governor who is a Green; inheriting a terrible crisis; working with a legislature made up of Dems and Reps; trying to adhere to the principles of your party and yet have to make tough decisions which may cause opposition within that party. In some ways it would be like Jesse Ventura and his Independence Party in Minnesota--except that the Green Party does have a national following in many states. If the Governor of California is a Green and is successful then the party will have the potential to really build. If the Governor of California is a Green and fails then it could have a devastating effect on the party.

But imagine if he is successful. Let's say he even wins a full term in 2006 and in 2008 he is the Green Party Candidate for President. The fact that the Green Party nominee for president is the Governor of California would do away with any arguements about experience to be president. If he successfully lead California and was able to adhere to Green principles while doing it would certainly help to legitimize the party and could lead to a real third party in the US--especially if they start winning governorships and congressional seats in other states.

I have mixed feelings about a third party. I think two parties are sufficient. But, on the other hand there seems to be a real need for a party that pays more than lip service to the unwashed masses. The rise of a liberal third party could shake up the calicified entrenched ones into cleaning out the good old boy network, corruption and business done as usual.

A presidential move might fail, although maybe a Dem. VP slot would work. If he went to Senator he'd only have to win in CA and I thought Feinstein or Boxer wanted to be CA Gov. anyway so it'd be a good swap. Then maybe a Green gets elected in Oregon, Maine, Vermont, or somewhere and they start building a larger following.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16397

does this article have merit? what do you think?

peace;
rob

Cal just elected Gray Davis and he will be the govenor this time next year.

Governor Davis is facing a Repuke recall which will probably be voted on in November.

If there is no Democratic candidate running, most Dems will IMHO vote "no" on the recall but vote for Camejo on question 2 instead of a Repuke. If this happens, Davis has a pretty good chance of survival. However, should he lose the vote, Camejo would stand a very good chance of becoming governor.

Should a known Democrat run, Camejo has no chance.

would jiacinto prefer a republican than a green?

or statewide in small states. If a Green becomes CA governor, that's better than a Republican, but I don't want the Greens to split our votes and get a Republican elected.

Just for the record, I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Green Party.

and, by resigning, wouldn't a Dem ascend to the position?

The recall would become invalid and it would seem all would be well. However, some Democratic pols think this could invite a spate of recalls from both parties and so are advising Davis to get into battle mode and fight this to the finish.