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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:53 PM
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on Aaron Brown: shift in military perception on Bush
They just did a pretty thoughtful piece where two embedded journalists from the Atlanta Journal Constitution went back to the infantry division that was promised they would be home soon. Turns out that Rumsfeld changed his mind, and the servicemen will be there a year in Sept.
Both the photographer and the reporter talked about the soldiers' morale, and one even said that a soldier told him that he was a lifelong Republican, but that he would not vote for a Republican again until Rumsfeld was out of power. (Said he continues to ignore the better judgement of field commanders).
That was followed by news of a report out that basically said, in the reporter's words, "The U.S. is in over its head in Iraq" and our only hope of avoiding a catastrophe is to "swallow our pride and ask other nations for help."
A far cry from the "all hail the great and glorious king" coverage Bush has benefited from.
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msanger Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:56 PM
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1. Abe Lincoln
Remember what a great "victory" it was for bush to get that photo op? I wonder how that is going to sell as the death rate goes up, and moral continues to crumble.

What is maddening is that this asswhole got the whole nation into this mess, and there is no good way out.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 09:58 PM
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2. we did ask other nations for help
....and they gave George the finger.

He has squandered our national heritage and position in the world community.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:26 PM
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10. Bush has insulted and alienated most of the world leaders and now that
he has created a mess in Iraq, which the other countries were against attacking in the first place, he expects everyone to be gung ho to fix the problem he created!
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:00 PM
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3. No good way out...by design?
Think about it. If they wanted to create a permanent military presence in the middle east, they have succeded. Walking away from this mess will create a bloodbath. They don't want a free democratic Iraq. They want US troops patrolling those oil wells forever.

Same thing they are doing with the budget. Screw things up so much, raise the deficit so high, that they destroy all federal social programs.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:04 PM
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4. I'm so afraid you're right
Unfortunately, it's not too hard to figure out this evil cabal's next move.
Just think of the most selfish, horrendous, inhumane and evil option, and there's your answer.
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Star Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:14 PM
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7. No there is a way out of Iraq
It's through the UN, but the PNACers won't take it. Given enough time, though, I think public opinion might have something to say about that. At least, I hope so.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:12 PM
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5. That was a freaking fantastic piece
I couldn't find a link on CNN. Maybe George Bashing will bring in the viewers and the "media" will feed like sharks.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:14 PM
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6. That's a lot of pride to be swallowed
There was an article a few days ago that said they've already asked 70 countries to send troops. IIRC, they haven't been able to get commitments for more than a few thousand.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:25 PM
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8. Guess thats why the military
is going to internet "voting", they saw this coming.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:26 PM
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9. Guess thats why the military
is going to internet "voting", they saw this coming.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:00 PM
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11. US TURNS TO ARABS TO KEEP THE PEACE--get this!!!
In the current World Media Watch.....but the buzz is that any Arab move to help in Iraq will be viewed as OK'ing what the US did....and a new terror group has already started threatening over Arab involvement!!

1//Asia Times Online July 18, 2003

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG18Ak03.html



US TURNS TO ARABS TO KEEP THE PEACE

By Emad Mekay (Inter Press Service)

CAIRO - The United States is turning to Arab regimes for support against increasing armed
resistance in Iraq, official sources here say.

A source close to the Egyptian foreign ministry confirmed reports that surfaced in the Arab
press late last week that the United States has sought the help of Egyptian peacekeeping
forces.

(SNIP)

A US congressional delegation arrived in Cairo from Baghdad earlier this week for talks with
Egyptian officials on the situation in Iraq. Chairman of the House intelligence committee, Florida
Republican Porter Goss led the team.

(snip)

The US Senate called last week for North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and United
Nations (UN) troops to be sent to Iraq. Spain, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Slovakia,
Hungary, the Baltic states and possibly the Philippines, Thailand and Mongolia may send
peacekeeping forces.

The Lebanese newspaper al-Kifah al-Arabi reported Saturday that the United States is seeking
troops also from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), a regional grouping
that includes Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Oman.

Earlier this week, the London-based pan-Arab newspaper Al-Hayat reported that the United
States was seeking Egyptian help also to "win the support of other Arab states". Al-Hayat
reported that the US wanted Egyptian support particularly to persuade other countries to accept
ambassadors appointed by the new governing council in Iraq.


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