Democratic Debate Thread III

It has been a good night. Thread II is getting boggy, therefore this. ;)

He prefaces every statement with an attack on Dean now...I think it takes away from what he's saying..

Every time he does it, his poll numbers go down.

Keep attacking, Johnny! :-)

Could not have handled it better.

Don

:cry:

I'd whine too.

not the fact that he answered.

Call it whining - OH WELL.

n/t

Either your freeper colors are showing, or you just hate Dean which baffles me because if you were a Dem, you wouldnt be so irrationally accusatory of him.

Funny

kiddie porn???

Wait till you see my video, Kerry Gone Wild! That was funny. :) Btw, Dean calling Kerry Bush lite was LAMEEE!

she is one of the worst

she called Dean a small-time governor

Question to Gep. What a bitch.

and deserves my "Needs A Slap" award for the evening.

that's technically accurate, but Bill Clinton was also a small time governor.

edit: dang I am all about the typos tonight.

A small-time ex-MSNBCer who allows herself to be seen on FAUX. Shame on Gwen.

What the hell is up with Gwen Eiffel?

Gephardt seems to think he needs to shout all his answers. <<yawn>>

she has insulted everybody

Score two for kerry!

PBS=ADM and Monsanto

PBS is going, going, gone!!

n/t

TWO GREAT LINES!

he got her!

from Gep and Kerry.

Nice line about voting Democrat if you want to live like a Republican from Gep, though.

...the next time he uses Truman's words.

it's getting old.

We need to STOP looking to the past and look toward the future.

Must be.

She notes the service employees union is flirting with Dean.

Gephardt says no (of course), talks about his experience and vote on the economic bill.

Is she going to attack Sharpton? She's going after Braun.

But I agree with you, Gwen is getting right to the point with these questions. It's not pretty but it's necessary.

Um...seriously?

Later.

RJS

oither polls confirm a slight lead.

...no lying, Johnny! No VP nomination for you!

Later.

RJS

besides, he won't _need_ the VP nomination, amigo,

Sheesh.

I _like_ these "How is your campaign fucked up?" questions..,

classic. Gwen needs to check her facts... can't catch Dennis sleeping
Scott

sorry didn't mean to post this to your thread but I couldn;t agree more with the ridiculous questions about how is your campaign floundering.
Scott

CWB issues a general response: We have a robust campaign, we're going to talk to people, etc., etc.

Its just me but aren't I correct in assuming that not one primary vote has been cast in the election right? The question to Edwards about him lagging in the polls seem ridiculous. Do candidates not even get a chance to lose in U.S. elections? I think that this is a general problem in elections today with an obsession with TV predictions, who is winning... Seems like the actual primaries should determine who has right to be there not TV analysis of polls.
SCott

to gepthart, and Braun, she is a bitch

n/t

Unfortunately is not going to win anything. Voting my own interest means voting for Clark cause I want Bush outa there!

Smirked when asked how to break long failure since Lincoln.

Gwen, you just got...

OWNED!

(insert smiley pic of DK here)

Later.

RJS

Doesn't look good. But he is honest.

Does he ever stop!

n/t

I was out of the room can anyone clue me in?

Scott

of (Chicago?) this year. It was 35. The panel felt the need to correct him.

I guess I gotta withdraw my support for him then ;-)
Thanks for the answer missb. Even Dennis flubs up now and then I guess no one is perfect in debates..... but Sharpton's gotta be going on 99% these days :)
Scott

He said that 350 people had been killed on the streets of Detroit in September. He said that he meant to say 35. 350 is about how many people are murdered annually in the streets of Detroit. The local reporter felt obligated to correct him. I wanted to mention it myself.

This is NOT an issue.

That woman is such a condensending bitch.

This is why I don't like debates with panels of reporters. They like to showboat and get their little quips in on the news.

...a swift kick to the schnutz. YOW!

Later.

RJS

I don't think anyone really doubts that he's a real Democrat. You'd have to ignore his 30 year political career.

Attacks Clark again. "No one called me Bush-Lite since clark entered."

n/t

... after all, it's nice to have a Republican in there against which the eight Democrats can be gauged.

He is running on his record.

Lieberman: You can have a hard time finding two guys who are angrier about Shrub's presidency than Al Gore and me.

I'm strong on defense, strong on values, and willing to talk about faith in American life.

Lieberman is putting me to sleep. He is pandering to the Black Churches right about now.

Gwen calling Al Sharpton out????

Give it a rest, Joe.

IF the media would read and not just right......many people in the US aren't taken seriously

He a provocateur who's proud of it!

VOTE! THAT'S RIGHT AL.

That's right....we need leadership!

and vote for AL Sharpton!!

...very funny! :)

Later.

RJS

and falls on his ass IMO

Cute story...then a serious look......I ain't gonna lose....

Get that.!

Hey, where's Dean???

rahter than funny...and he does it up right. Very big grin here.

like a little kid trying to be cute when they get caught in the cookie jar.

CLark has not given one spcific policy answer... just empty platitudes.

the only funny person is Dean. Dean is god. Enough of this nonsense.

Wesley Clark is going to be our next president

We are not a military state..............yet.

Please God - you owe me one after what happened to Gore (worked on that campaign 6 days a week).

...and here's Kerry talking about guns. *twiddles thumbs*

Later.

RJS

For assault weapon ban, for the Brady bill.

Need to fight vs. special interests who are taking away the voices of average Americans.

in one's closing statement.

We’ve got to work for America… get America going… protect America… etc etc. Just empty generalizations and platitudes.

Where's Dean??????

2 questions and 2 rebut... now last statement

is not a empty general paltitude.

It is a cute and snide way of avoiding the question about his total lack of experience in any elected office.

It's very interesting and original. The whole story
endeared General to the people and brought back days
of yore and childhood angst.

the only point of that little story was to avoid giving a straight answer... Clark didn't give a straight answer the whole night.

platiutudes. Some people are afraid of Generals.
Therefore he tells a sweet story of his childhood
and how nice he was to vote for his buddy that got
elected. Where is his buddy today? His buddy got
elected Homeroom Representtaive. But where is his
buddy today? General Clark is a hero a couple
ding-dongs away from the Ovval Office. But where
is his buddy? Do you even know his buddy's name?
It is a subliminal way of sayinfg that running for
other things or having other offices might mean
something but it do not mean what you think it
means. If you know his buddy's name please tell
me what it is. That's why it's not a platitude.
A platiutude is some saying everybody gets that's
been said a million times. This was a original,
subliminal and reverse platitude.

:-) added on edit

but he's not presidential material. He's probably going to drop futher in the new polls.

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Clark is not a good guy.

Anybody who would defend bombing journalists is not a good guy.

one could say that anyone who takes wheelchairs and artificial limbs away from the poor, elderly, and disabled is not a good guy. Please read the Time magazine cover article about Governor Dean.

QUOTE:
"Dean alienated progressives by tightening spending and successfully pushing tax cuts. "Howard would start (each budget cycle) by cutting programs for the needy, things like wheelchairs and artificial limbs", says State Auditor Elizabeth Ready, who has been both friend and foe to Dean. Horrified liberals would have to claw each benefit back from the tightfisted Governor."

Time Magazine
August 11, 2003

(No link because the online article has been archived to the paid section).

Edited to include quote from Time article.

5 million new jobs, health care for everybody.

He's a great speaker and has done well tonight.

Edwards did great tonight. I thought he won the last debate. I am very surprised Edwards hasn't "broken out" of the pack yet. There's still time I guess. I'm a Clark supporter all the way but if Clark doesn't get the nomination, I would be much more enthusiastic about supporting Edwards than I would about some of the other candidates. He's very charismatic, IMO.

And Dean did a great job of highlighting Kerry's support for some of Bush's tax cut and the war... Lieberman, Kerry, and Clark all looked bad in this debate.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you, TLM. Lieberman did look bad, but I thought Kerry and Clark looked great. Dean didn't do badly, but he didn't exactly shine, IMO. That said, I'm supporting Clark in the primary. If Clark doesn't get the nomination, I will support whichever Dem candidate does.

Fox News is drooling over Dean in the post-debate commentary.

not a patrician. The next President in any case.

and telling like it is: this party has lost its way.

I love it

SLAP IT SLAPT IT....goooooood

..."Slap the Donkey" should be the motto of the Party, hahahaha. I love the Reverend!

Later.

RJS

kick that donkey

:kick:

"a bunch of elephants wearing donkey jackets" could some one please fill me in?

Girl that's right....It's about winning..

VOTE CLARK!

I was just glancing here at Thread III. I do not see much about Dean. Is he getting air time?

Your fault, and your loss on a good debate where everyone shone!

I thought I could watch it and not get upset at the moderators. The last Fox one was outrageous as well.

I found I could not watch. I do not feel that deserves your wrath. Sometimes watching the debates, watching them make fun of our candidates, bothers me.

I just asked a question about this thread. It was my choice to turn it off. Good grief, why would you get so angry because I did? May I participate in the thread?

I missed the beginning but thought it was great except too short.

I don't mind the hard questions... If anything, my questions would be a lot more merciless ;)

we won't recognize this country if Bush gets another term.

she is presidential

I may be sick and having dental problems, but I had to get up to hear as much of tonight's debate as possible.

:toast:

HE just hit on Ashcroft, Falwell and Rush at the same time. I love it when he does that.

:-)

The priority is getting Bush out of the White House.....

Here we go with the empower Speech....good and reliable!!!!!

Americans are not a cog in the system.

responsibility to people. yep.

Clark, like Kerry, has been pushing the idea of "leadership" a lot. I noticed a big switch on Clark talking about the supporters tonight. Good move on his part.

Side note though: Clark needs to learn how to blink when he's on camera.

if he's got laserbeamers....for eyes......

They'll go right thru Bush and Cheney!......when it's time.

I wouldn't want to get into a staring contestwith him.

he's not lying. I know I am.

was very good.

The Dictator comment could could have been cut out....BUt I guess it's good for those who worry about national security and having someone at the elm that won't be pushed around.

I felt that he was sincere and wants the best for this country!

Lieberman is oh so pandering!

I also think Kerry is the one who did the best from among all of them.

Hey, I've got one of those too.....and I believe that the viewers hung on to every word he said.

...he doesn't speak LOUD-LY into the mic. He's quiet, and he thinks. He does get angry, and his voice does raise sometimes. But in these closing statements, you can tell his calmness.

Later.

RJS

"you've got the power" speech. Since he knows it by heart, he can concentrate on his delivery!

what his actual positions are before the next debate.

registers as apathy to me. To each their own eh?

Happy Happy Joy Joy

But Krystol isn't doing so bad in telling the truth, although I suspect his reasons for doing so.

They all called it for Dean.

I turned it off because I didn't want to be poisoned by the PNAC Cabal!

That he wins any debate in which he isn't taken down a notch or two.

It's hard to stand out in a debate of 10 candidates, and heaven help the party if they dare to say that only the major candidates should participate. Sharpton knows how to say things that separate him from the pack and seems unconcerned with offending non-Democratic primary voters (which would be a problem later down the roas, of course). Clark seemed much improved, as did Kerry. Dean was strong. Kucinich was average, as was Braun, Gebhart and Lieberman. Edwards was weak.

Clark and Kerry stood out......my first and second, in that order.....

Good for America!

Clark came in second. The rest did not show any fire. IMO Lieberman is an embarassment to the Dem party, he should get the hell out. DK seemed way off and CMB is taking up space, she is a very smart woman but there is no chance she will get the nod, they have to thin this field so that the front runners have more time to debate each other and clarify their message.

He kicks ass at these.

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Honestly, he really does do good job every time. He can sure think on his feet well. I would vote for him in a minute.

Don

I was not impressed with my main man DK tonight, but I missed a lot of the debate--until I saw this thread!

I also agree with burythehatchet that Mosley-Braun is very presidential. She's confident, and speaks slowly and clearly. I keep thinking she's the head librarian who sweetly and calmly kicks your ass out before you even have a chance to argue. While the Reverend would sermonize and gesticulate wildly, dragging you by the ear through the entire library as an example.

Unfortunately, of the others only Dean, Edwards, and Kucinich seem really passionate about breaking the BFEE, in my opinion. The rest seem to be going through the motions, as if they don't really BELIEVE that they can turn this country around. It could also be that what I am really seeing is my own cynicism of the military and career politicians. But I don't think so.

Edwards is coming into his own, I think. He did very well tonight.

DK is always mad, and who can BLAME him, but he needs help in articulating his wonderful ideas to the public. I kept nodding off to Lieberman's sonorous drone, until he said Gore. Likewise Gephart and Clinton. And Clark just isn't ready--I think he's out of his element - although I'm finally convinced he's legit.

Sharpton, Edwards and Mosley-Braun shone in this debate, although I am still supporting Dennis, and loving Dean. Any one of these on the ticket would make me very hopeful that our country really can regain it's former glory.

Awhile back someone posted a story which mentioned how she was cooking dinner with Condi one night.....
Ifill along with the whole Washington Week in Review bunch have all whored themselves. There was a time when I watched it faithfully, back in the days of Paul Duke, when all the panel had a jaundiced eye toward political goings on instead of the genuflecting that goes on today.

In fact, I stopped watching after they did a show just before Iraq started because all of them completely ignored the info about Powell's UN speech being a pack of lies...I got so pissed I even wrote an article about it for Buzzflash entitled "Washington Week in Review 2/7/03: Sins of Omission."

She wasn't very professional and was way over the top in her phrasing of questions. It was unnecessary and very transparent.

Here's my take on the debate tonight....

In my opinion, Sharpton was the clear winner of the debate, but the pundits completely discount him.

Dean was really good, but he left himself to two openings in which Kerry zoomed in.

Gephardt----all that hand gesturing and lack of eyebrows really annoys me.

Clark sounded fine, but the military thing was beginning to get very weary on my nerves, and he offered no specifics, really.

Kerry, he did a few good digs, but that's all he seems to do is by framing his answers with "Dean this, Dean that..."---it's a myopic fixation that will hurt him in the end.

Lieberman should just fucking drop out already. He's an embarassment to the Dem party.

Kucinich.....*sigh*.....I have a feeling he'll become a Nader type because he'll be too stubborn to drop out and will stay in like a diseased penny.

Braun----needs to stop focusing wholely on the "I'm a woman" part, and even though she sounded great, really doesn't have a whole lot going for her.

Edwards----young, youthful, Southern, basically the antithesis of Strom Thurmond, ha.

Sharpton---loved the "This is a battle between the Christian Right Wing and the Real Christians" line

Have I left anyone out?

I was really upset about all those evangelicals in the Bible belt being Bush's base. Can any of our guys win those people? And do we even want to? But can we win without them?

However, speaking as someone who grew up in the Bible Belt and had JEE-zus shoved down my throat most of my early life -- there are substantial numbers of people living in the Bible Belt who are not hard-core fundies, and these people do vote.

Conventional wisdom is that Clark could do very, very well in the Bible Belt south, and I am inclined to agree. I like Dean a lot but I'm concerned that he will be a hard sell outside the northeast. But I could be wrong.

Dean beat the panel of candidates. At least those that took him on.

Sharpton, CMB, Clark, Kucinich seemed to have learned not to tangle with the guy.

WTF????

Why is this man talking about tax incentives to move existing jobs into the inner city?

What happens to those at work on these jobs now out in the countryside?

I thought from his press, he is working for the common man.

How do tax incentives to move jobs from one place to another around the country accomplish this purpose?

I live in corporate welfare central, where one city bids against the next to move jobs across city lines on the notion that this does something for the community.

This BS has to stop.