LISTEN UP: This is the issue!

The real issue is: Were the President's decisions regarding Iraq reasonable given all of the information he had available to him?

The issue is NOT is there some scintilla of information that has any possibility at all of supporting the President's decisions. But that is the standard the Bush Junta is applying to its own behavior.

Could he use that to claim his aim all along was liberation for the Iraqi people?

I think that the issue is: Did the President make the case for war on Iraq with false premises?

Did the President lie, manipulate, or pressure intelligence agencies in his quest for war? That is the issue. The uranium is an example of that, which allows for the questioning of the rest of it, which is just as flimsy as the uranium intelligence.

I think if he did, that would tend to prove that his decisions were not reasonable. But if his decisions were reasonable in light of all the evidence, it may be excusable that he lied, etc., for a greater cause.

But the consensus is forming that Bush's decisions were not reasonable in light of the evidence he had. For example, concluding that Iraq was becoming a nuclear menace that had to be stopped, based on some crap documents known by everyone to have been forged, is not a reasonable conclusion.

I can't think of one major decision the Bush Junta has made regarding Iraq that I would consider reasonable.

It's never right to lie about a war. Never. And no, it wasn't right when Johnson did it either.

However, if you're trying to make a case for incompetence, I would agree with that. If he's not lying about the intelligence, then why in the world did he use it at all? Is that what you're saying.

Plus, in light of the fact that he's the President and he ought to know if ANY country is seeking nuclear weapons, he can't possibly claim he didn't know about the Niger uranium when preparing the SOTU. Or at least know that he didn't know, which should have caused him to say "What the fuck, Iraq is seeking uranium, how come we didn't know that?"

I guess the thing is, I never expected anything reasonable out of this yahoo. Seeing the word in the same discussion with his name is more than my little mind can take in.

There would have been big things, instead of ginned up cobbled together pap delivered with built-in deniability.

Killed his own people (15 years ago when he was our ally, with at least our tacit blessing in a situation where the victims were on the border with his enemy possibly working with them)

Had a nuke-you-ler program (maaaany years ago, with nothing in operation for years)

Had chemical/biological weapons (that they claimed to have destroyed years ago and that had a relatively short shelf life)

Had remote drones (hahahahahahaha; they've found one that's very short range)

Had missiles that could reach foreign countries (um...stand 1 foot inside your border and light a bottle rocket, and you too could be a heinous threat to civilization)

Every "crime" was expressed vaguely enough to be completely deniable. Doesn't that just smack of hucksterism?

Your catelogue is not complete without the Ghost ships of course..
And we Iraq must have the distinction of being the only country in history to 'destroy' weapons (missiles!) a week before being invaded

But you know the problem with being 'hoodwinked' is that victims usually never come forward cause they are too embarassed to admit to being fooled and that is my BIGGEST fear...

A sorta 'write on your balls' attitude and 'stay the course' bumperstickers...

And they like to say it was for the greater good.....Well then we should shoot all the drug dealers and child molesters as they too will cause harm and it would be for the greater good. See how it just doesn't fly...... Our court systems and public safety would be in chaos. If they do get away with this, the judicial system will be useless.

If going to war on a guess is unreasonable, then Bush should be held accountable. I think most people would agree it is unreasonable.

Doesn't even deserve a rebuttal it's so ludicrous.



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why is is ludicrous?

....or is this stuff for real???

Like it or not the evidence was bogus

Like it or not the buck stops at the Oval Office Desk.

Like it or not - regardless of who idiot boy tries to blame, the words came out of Bush's mouth. There nevr has been and never will be an excuse for sending our military off to die based on a lie.

BUSH LIED - - - PEOPLE DIED