David Gergen blames the Dems. for the situation in Iraq because they

have 'no alternative plan'. I watched and heard this one myself on CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown.

Kerry was on the show too. I'm sorry, I don't think he electable in our 'fashion' society. He didn't look so good. His eyebrows sag down over his eye balls which sort of make him look sinister. (Especially his right eye.) To be fair, maybe his was tired from a long day?

Sorry, it's my honest opinion for what the Sheeple will react to.


Brown also said 'The American people feel Bush is the most honest person' and Gergen agreed.

Gergen also said that that there might be some relevant information the the 911 report Bush won't release. So the solution is for Bush to allow 4 people from the Senate to read it in a 'Secure room where no notes can be taken.' Then end of story and bury 911.

I kid you not. Find the transcripts.

Sounds like Fascism to me.

(For the life of me, I don't understand why a Dem. doesn't respond with: 'If we had the trillion dollar CIA/FBI/DIA/State Dept/... resources at our disposal as Bush, I'd have a solution within a week.)

Gergen's web contact. I'd email him all the above minus the Kerry stuff.
http://www.davidgergen.com/index.php?page=contact

pure stupidity right there

war when did the Clark suggestion to redeploy Halliburton back to the US and to turn over all political control to the current Iraq council not indicate a plan?

The media whores love to lie - David Gergen less than most - but he is trying to catch up to Fox I guess.

Blame others, take no responsibility.

Are these people living on the same planet as us? Bush and his Poppy made Iraq their personal goal, lied to the public, bombed the shit out of Baghdad, invaded and occupied, said to the terrorists "Bring 'em on," refused to accept advice, ignored world opinion, called the UN "irrelevant," and the DEMS are responsible?!! Gergen and the other assholes can go to hell.

Most all the news is just Bush Crime Family propaganda.

Do you know how to find the transcripts.

There was a little more too. You had to see it to believe it. It was his tone, body language, facial expression, previous question/response...

can read it here. And, Gergen is correct. At this point we Dems "don't" have a cohesive plan for dealing with Iraq. Democrats are not just the Candidates, it's the House and Senate Dems. Look at the split votes there. And even our candidates differ on how we can handle the situation.

That is one of the electorates beefs with the Dem candidates. We are NOT offering a specific plan to resolving the Iraq problem. All our candidates are doing is "carping" about the situation in Iraq. It looks to the average person like it is just "campaign rhetoric" for the Dems.

Until people see that the Dems have a solution to the problem and that we "know what we're doing" and can make the world more secure - they will NOT feel comfortable in voting for us. Dems have a bad rap about being "weak on defense" and "soft on fighting terrorism."

You can look it up at his website in www.kucinich.us/statements. It's the Oct. 9th one. But here are some elements:

The President must go to the UN and announce the US intention to hand over all administrative and security responsibilities to the UN. The UN would help Iraqis move quickly toward self-determination.
The UN, not the US, will administer Iraq’s oil revenues. It will be necessary to renounce clearly and unequivocally any interest in controlling Iraq’s oil resources.
The UN will administer contracts to repair Iraq. War profiteering will no longer be practiced by the White House. It will be necessary to suspend all reconstruction contracts and close the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority, because of the suspicion caused by the sweetheart deals that the Administration has given to large American corporations. In its place, the UN would help Iraqis administer funds to employ Iraqis to repair the damage from the invasion.
Bring US troops home as UN peacekeeping troops rotate into Iraq: The goal is to bring all US troops home by the new year, but in any case, to bring them home as quickly and as safely as possible with a planned and orderly withdrawal.

I mentioned in an earlier post that I've been watching Gergen for the last year and I believe that he is concerned about Bush & Co. and the direction they are talking this country in.

He is trying to tell the Dems "offer a specific plan" about Iraq. If all we do is "carp" and we don't offer a plan - how can people believe that we can resolve the problem. The rap against the Dems is that we're "soft of terror." We need to overcome that...

responsible. If they want to take reponsibility and make Bush* come back to Congress for further review then they would show that they have worth. Right now I hold them equally responsible. They are after all our representatives and they (in the most part) are in agreement with Bush*.

If Dem House and Senate had a better plan they should have voted as a Block against Iraq Invasion, so technically when some Pudits say Dems didn't have a plan or don't have a plan......they do it because the Dem leadership caved to Bush. So we shouldn't be eating ourselves up about this.

but that is inane. Not typical of you dark.

Actually, I disagree often with Gergen, but find him thoughtful and nuanced. It's true that we have to come up with more than just we were against the war (which this writer was - vehemently); we need to present an alternative vision and an exit strategy. That, I think, is what Gergen was talking about.

Why do these assholes always Dems have no plan!!!

Your point is well taken. And, not just with Kerry. Now, to break the media silence. I need to rethink my post. Thank you.

They don't want Kerry's plans to get substantive coverage. Too dangerous for Bush. They want to keep the level of discussion aimed at the horserace.

that we had no plan, not that we have no plan. But, hell, not invading Iraq because invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do, that was a plan! It's a false dilemma to say that we "had" to do something about Iraq.

For what is going on now. It's just disgraceful blatant bias. How much $ worth of resources does the President command? How many millions of workers does he officially able to tap for plans/advice?

A lot of us didn't vote for Bush, protested against this
invasion, knew there would be heavy costs and
disparaged this administration breaking diplomatic ties.

But it's going to take more than partisan politics and
finger pointing now to repair the damage done by Bush Inc. and
more than one more pundit on CNN to do the real work it will take.

Most of the Dems I've heard have answers but they aren't
the short snappy soundbites that people like David Gergen
can repeat in 3 minutes. It will take repairing diplomatic
ties to the rest of the world, replacing US troops with
a NATO crowd, divvying up the opportunities and
responsibilites for rebuilding with the people in Iraq and area.

Seems Darker could have posted this on my currently running post here in GD. Maybe you aren't a GD mod..sorry if you aren't.

the Dem candidates are fueling the terror bombing in Iraq. Dean is responsible for attacking the little man lying prez(dictator). Iraqui terrorists are listening to what the Dems are saying about little man bushie, and they are taking their orders for the Dems. Bomb, bomb, bomb.

I love it when the bushitstas are losing and don't take responsibility for their murdering mess.

Little man bushie to speak this morning on TV. God ohmighty, hate how that idiot speaks.

Here they have the Presidency, the House, the Senate, a pliable Supreme Court and they STILL blame Democrats for Republican policies gone awry.

I honestly think that the GOP is more comfortable as an Opposition party, where they can criticize without responsibility.

How could you post that?

2 Dems and 2 Pubs (such as Hegel) who would NOT let the matter die. IMO - Gergen is pressuring Bush and trying to negate Bush's argument that this info would damage national security and cannot be released. THIS is what Bush is using as an excuse to not release the info.

I have been watching Gergen closely for the last few years and I believe he is very concerned with the Bush & Co. and the direction they are taking us in.

It is people like Gergen that the "middle of the roaders" will listen to NOT people to the left.

I'm not prepared to put my constitution into the hands of 2 people I don't even know if I could trust. A few PNAC Democrats maybe? I'm sure we could trust a Chief Justice like Warren to tell us the truth!! Oops, not.

OK, I'll settle for Cheney and Asscroft to read the report and I'll believe everything they tell me.

Actually, I wouldn't even trust any of the Dem. candidates. The only politician I'd trust is Wellstone. I want to read it for myself. We live in America in case anyones' brains have been frightened into submission by the Bush Crime Family.

IMO

as above all 'honest'. Then Gergen agreed.

Read the transcripts if they can be found. Sorry, I've just got to much work to search for them.

Assets come and assets go, so what does this have to do with * ?

http://www.redding.com/news/national/past/20030226topnat034.shtml

War's end won't bring soldiers home General: Iraq will need huge occupying force

February 26, 2003 — 2:17 a.m.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army's top general said Tuesday that a military occupying force for a postwar Iraq could total several hundred thousand soldiers.

Iraq is "a piece of geography that's fairly significant," Gen. Eric K. Shinseki said at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. And he said any postwar occupying force would have to be big enough to maintain safety in a country with "ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems."

In response to questioning by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the committee, Shinseki said he couldn't give specific numbers of the size of an occupation force but would rely on the recommendations of commanders in the region.

"How about a range?" asked Levin.

"I would say that what's been mobilized to this point, something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers," the general said. "Assistance from friends and allies would be helpful."

At the White House, President Bush kept up pressure on Saddam Hussein and the United Nations.

He predicted that Saddam would try to "fool the world one more time," by revealing the existence of weapons that he has previously denied having. But the president insisted the only way the Iraqi leader could avoid war was "full disarmament. The man has been told to disarm. For the sake of peace, he must completely disarm."
(snip)

If * could just read that line about "fool me" again.

Can anybody get behind this plan

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art_tf.html
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art324.html
US Soldiers to America: Bring Us Home Now

Monday, 13 October 2003, 10:29 am
Article: Jay Shaft

US Soldiers to America: ''Bring us home now; we’re dying for oil and corporate greed!''

Part 1 in a 5 part series
Interviews by Jay Shaft
Coalition For Free Thought In Media
12th October 2003

I had the unique opportunity to interview five US military servicemen who just got back from Iraq, or in the case of two men, corresponded with their wives so that I could ask questions of these soldiers by mail. When the two I corresponded with came back just last week, I was able to complete the interviews I started several months ago with some new details on how the war is actually going.

I was shocked and angered when I found out how many of the service men hate being in Iraq and want nothing to do with rebuilding and policing the devastated nation. From the conversations I had, many soldiers never wanted to go over to Iraq and fight, and the ones who had were now convinced of the awful crime that had been committed against Iraq and our own troops. I was told very few soldiers now believe in staying in Iraq, or want to stay in the country and serve any more days.

The following interview was with an enlisted man, but someone very high up in the enlisted ranks, with over 20 years of military service. I have promised not to reveal his identity for reasons that he has a family and has been told not to speak to journalists. He told me the Army had put a gag order on him while he was home, and told him they would give him twenty years in prison if he spoke out in any manner against the US or the government.
I took several weeks to finish this interview because of not being able to safely be seen with this individual out of his fears of being caught speaking out.

He asked me to call him USA in all the transcripts of these interviews. I have followed his wishes and tried to write what he said in the manner it was said so as not to lose any impact. At times the interview was very rough and the grammar is not perfect, but I tried to write this in his voice so that he can tell the world how bad it is in Iraq. I truly want you to feel what he has experienced in some way if possible
(snip)

it! Stop Israeli settlements, stop Israeli terrorism in the occupied Palestinian territories, give the Palestinians REAL hope for a contiguous, independent state, even out the imbalance of US money and weapons between Israel and the Palestinians, give the Palestinains back their lands from 67 and pay them for the damage that Israel has done to their infrastructure. If the US would stand behind that policy, the Palestinians themselves...especially the mothers..would ensure the end of suicide bombings. Get rid of the Sharon cabal in Israel and give a voice and support to the Israelis who are working toward real peace but who are afraid to step forward less they meet the fate of Rabin.

However, you will find no serious politician stepping forward to say what they know is right and what has really never been tried. Our Congress is in the control of the Zionist and new-world order cabals which are working together to achieve their own self interests and the people be damned!

I keep asking myself why they don't instead dwell on the fact that BUSH HAS NO PLAN AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN THE FUCKING MESS WE ARE IN!! He has the whole government at his disposal and he has a runaway circus going on over there. But these guys want the Dems in their allotted 23 seconds in a debate to come forth with a detailed plan right down to how many nuts and bolts they would put into a reconstructed bridge in Baghadad!! In other words, by laying this kind of shit on the Dems, they are just playing the Bush propaganda game. The deliberately miss that each Dem is saying that first we have to re-establish the relationships with other countries that inconmpetent and ugly Bush has destroyed; then we need to divide up the spoils that Bush is keeping for his corporate friends in order to get a wide universal presence in Iraq. This is what they have been saying and as usual, what these talking head pigs selectively forget.