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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:33 AM Original message |
Secular Humanism, my "political" problems with it. |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Do you have a link to these "manifestos"? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. You'll understand after you read them. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. have you seen this yet? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
110. But, I have no problem with their beliefs, |
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Friar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 06:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
122. I agree with this |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
89. You are mistaken .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:44 AM Response to Reply #89 |
111. The problem with your argument, |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 11:50 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. What is in a definition ?????? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 08:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. You are Mistaken!!! |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-03 01:51 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Response .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-03 10:11 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Okay, the manifesto, and declaration |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 05:23 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Honestly .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. I say sacred means it means worthy of respect? |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 07:43 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Let's play this game .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 11:07 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. But your forgetting that it has to be sacred and a system of tenets held |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 11:42 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. How does his surfer analogy not apply??? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 11:50 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Hmm, I think some people would consider it a religion, |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-03 01:01 AM Response to Reply #130 |
133. But wait, if a Catholic & a Jew BOTH can be humanists |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-03 01:07 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Religion or Philosophy |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 01:07 AM Response to Reply #133 |
136. you Cannot be a catholic-jew or a Christian Satanist, |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 01:36 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. ding ding ding...you got the right answer |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Who told you that in order for something to be a religion |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 07:01 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. You prove nothing but your ad-nauseum approach to argumentation |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-03 09:05 PM Response to Reply #141 |
145. Well your dismissal of eastern religions is pretty ad nauseam |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-03 02:44 PM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Pffffffffffffftttttttttttt .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 01:18 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Is that you conseding? |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-03 02:46 AM Response to Reply #137 |
144. THAT is the sound ... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-03 09:08 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Unsound and without foundations? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-03 09:08 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Unsound and without foundations? |
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Maple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. Are you forced to believe or accept |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. It's very vague about that. |
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Maple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Well they don't |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You're misrepresenting Secular Humanism. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. a set of goals/beliefs does not make a religion |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Um you should look at this |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 06:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
124. apparently there are also non-religious humanists |
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Friar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 06:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
123. how dare you assume |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-03 06:41 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. i assume nothing of the sort |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 08:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. a subtle difference |
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WhataBildeberger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. atheism is not "a lack of belief" |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
107. you should ask Az |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 10:58 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Actually, you're wrong |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-03 10:17 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. no |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
25. They're also about the only "religious dogma" that were published... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. like the christian church? |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Exactly, |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. it seems redundant |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Precisely |
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lynndew2 (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I think there is a creater...but not one that is at all involved ... |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. No not like the Christian church |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. Secular Humanism |
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rudeboy666 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Separation of Church and State? |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 05:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I don't live in oppressive society ! |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Freedom is an inherant aspect of the system |
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Damndifino (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
76. The Nazis were NOT atheists. |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Az I love you buddy |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:24 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. from Az's post |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Ooh Ooh Ter comes out swingin! Bout time you showed your true colors! |
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BlackRhino (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Boy oh boy... SOMBODY's full of themselves, today! |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If you say it it must be true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Humanist Application + Religious Tradition |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:33 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. This is precisely the point I've tried to make |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
63. my true colors? |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Yes your true colors |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 05:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
100. same to ya, guvna |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I do not oppose the religion label |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
94. Blue Chill ... This is RELIGIOUS, NOT SECULAR humanism ..... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. EVERYBODY SHOULD READ TRAJAN'S POST!!!! |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. Non the less, I left religions |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
14. this doesn't quite scan for me |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 01:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
78. Because it is superfluous, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Okay, so don't become a Secular Humanist |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
16. I'd beg to differ |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 02:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. Funny, Hobbes, and more importantly Nietzche |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 02:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Social creatures |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. Interesting |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
18. Your observations are very perceptive. |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
21. This discussion about "Secular Humanism" is absolutely surrealist !! |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. As a card carrying (it's true, there's a card!) Secular Humanist... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. The Creationists battlecry! That and "Burn Darwin at the stake" |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. Secular humanism challenges the God meme |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 08:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. An understanding of how memes associate themself |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 08:13 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Again, I am impressed with your understanding of . . |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
26. Look at it from this viewpoint.... |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
27. My reply to you |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
29. It's AN answer...not THE answer |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
32. Try Unitarian Universalism... |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
33. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell tell me it's a religion so it must be so |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:18 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Ayup, my reaction precisely |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You should try reading |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:25 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. As opposed to non-religious humanists |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
64. hmm...wouldnt removal be simpler? |
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BrettStah (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. You're misunderstanding that quote... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well said! |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. You are misunderstanding secular humanism |
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BrettStah (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. That's your opinion... |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Read post #83 |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Multiple groups |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Ok then I recognize |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
42. OK, COINTELPRO! I demand tax exempt status and some $ |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. How do I like them apples? I love them |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:55 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. There is but one way to have something "declared" a religion |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Walter |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I kept it civil |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Again the language/legal issue |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I know them: you want to convert my kids in public schools |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Blue, this is turn the cheek time |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Many are given opportunities |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. I never turn the other cheek |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. OK, you Blue Chill are an apple - prove the contrary TO MY SATISFACTION |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Answer post 53 before asking me anything else |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Example |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 09:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Ah, but now we unravel |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Why don't you tell us your "reasons"..... |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 10:53 AM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Usually the reason an outsider wants something declared... |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
70. you are one intense 17-year-old |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
71. Secular Humanism is NOT a RELIGION |
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Philosophy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I disagree with you and the original post |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 05:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. a couple of items: |
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Philosophy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-03 12:33 AM Response to Reply #101 |
131. Still |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 11:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
104. Secular humanism does not elevate |
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Philosophy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-03 12:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
132. But it does in this sense: |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
109. I find it interesting to find embeded, |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 12:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Language is a tricky thing |
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Beacho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
80. Blue Chill, your favorite quote |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 03:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. What gives? |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. Why to make simple whereas we can make complicated? |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
97. Cointelpro ? .... |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:25 AM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Hmm, everything I said still stands, |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
99. Dead Silence ..... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:29 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I'm reminded of...COINTELPRO. Leave the flamebait on |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:30 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Hmm, I'm not exactly sure what you're refering |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 12:26 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Sorry Trajan, |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-03 02:01 AM Response to Reply #99 |
117. Not Windmills...Just Hard To Argue |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-03 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
102. American people has a Messianic culture, |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-03 10:53 AM Response to Reply #102 |
112. OH OH< some bad checks here. They bounced |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-03 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
120. The "Secular Hunmanism is a religion" mantra is used by the Birchers |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 01:23 AM Response to Reply #120 |
138. Well, I don't want to be accused of anything, so I will start out by sayin |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 07:42 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Well, if SH has no god(s) & they don't worship or pray (rituals) |
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Cointelpro_Papers (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-03 09:10 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Hmm, we're not going to argue the issue of eastern religions? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-03 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
143. The horse is dead so I'll leave you with this link to enlighten you |
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