Uday and Qusay are NOT dead!

At least I HIGHLY doubt they were involved in this "firefight"!

Think about it for a moment: We are talking about the number two and three men in the Hussein regime, who have been targetted by the US for months, if not years.

Now ask yourself these questions, and see if you come up with the same answer I did:

1) Would two wanted men hide out in a relative's house, if their entire nation had been taken over by their enemies?

2) Would these particular two wanted men stay at the same place for ANY period of time?

3) Would two such high ranking (and wealthy) wanted men only have ONE BODYGUARD BETWEEN THEM?

The obvious and most reasonable answer for each of these questions is NO!

Yet supposedly Uday and Qusay were killed with another man and a teenage boy in the home of a relative! Come on! Even Bin Laden has more than one bodyguard!

I would be willing to bet that these men are nothing more than relatives who look similar, or possibly even look-alikes as used by the regime to thwart assasination attempts.

In fact I know of at least one Uday lookalike who defected to the US, so it is clear that at least Uday had lookalikes.

This story just doesn't pass the smell test.

Consider this article from CNN.com:

A special military task force formed to hunt for Saddam and his top supporters led the raid, supported by extensive armor and air cover, officials said.

Two-hundred members of the 101st Airborne Division also joined the assault, and no one was captured, a U.S. official told CNN Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr.

<SNIP>

The two bodies have a "strong resemblance" to Saddam's sons, a senior U.S. official said. The bodies will be flown to the United States for DNA testing at the U.S. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington, the official said.

A senior Pentagon official said one of the other two bodies appeared to be that of a teenage boy. U.S. officials noted that Qusay has a teenage son. The other body recovered appeared to be that of a bodyguard.

<SNIP>

The hunt for Saddam in Iraq is led by a U.S. Special Operations team -- code-named Task Force 20 -- with support from the CIA. The task force, which also took part in the rescue of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, includes covert special forces from the various U.S. military services.

<SNIP>

With Iraq preparing its defenses in the run-up to the war, Qusay was put in charge of four key areas, including Baghdad and Tikrit -- his family's tribal home.

When the war began, he was in charge of the country's intelligence network, the 80,000-strong Republican Guard and 15,000-member Special Republican Guard, which was responsible for protecting Saddam and his family.

Uday has a reputation for violence that included torturing Iraqi athletes who did not meet expectations. He ran the dreaded Saddam Fedayeen security force.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/22/sprj.irq.sons/index.html

Did you notice that this raid was led by the same group that led the raid that "rescued" Jessica Lynch? Did you also notice that Qusay was in charge of the Special Republican Guards and Uday the Fedayeen?

Are you, like me wondering why the two men who ran the organisations most likely to be involved in recent anti-US attacks could only muster up a SINGLE bodyguard?

Are you like me, wondering whether this is just another attempt at a PR "raid"? How long before we get the night vision camera shots of special forces troops raiding this place?

Don't you have faith in Dubya? why would he lie? the fact that Uday and Qusay Hussein split the country long before the bombs began to fall doesn't mean anything..if my leader says they're dead...they're dead.

I could certainly understand them traveling without more than one or two guards, since more than that would be an operational problem. I think that the fishy thing is their being in the relative's house. That's just bizarre. Why would they do that, inviting to be killed?

they've been on the run for quite a while.
people get sloppy.

entity on Earth is after your sorry ass, you do not get sloppy. If you've had years to prepare and billions of dollars at your disposal, you're probably well prepared.

I have to wonder how they are even going to perform DNA tests. That requires actually having the brothers' DNA to test results against. Or can they compare genetic code in lieu of the original genetic information? Why were they deep in Kurdish territory? What the hell would any of Hussein's relatives be doing with a house in Kurdish territory?

If indeed they are dead, nothing changes. They are not behind the guerilla war in Iraq, and neither is Saddam. What the U.S. has to fear is a nationwide revolt, not Castor and Pollux.

Eric

dna. is that enough?

How did they get Castor and Pollux's mother's DNA? I'm not doubting you, but I am curious.

My other questions as to why in the hell any of Hussein's relatives would have a home in Kurdish Iraq has yet to be answered.

only that they said they had it back when they thought they blew them up on day one of the war.

never trust my memory....i don't

but it would be enough. I have to agree with much of this thread that this is at least highly suspect. Or maybe somewhat suspect. The timing probably ticks off Rove, who would have prefered not to have this interfere with his Jessica Lynch dog and pony show.

(it does have that stench)

the fact is taht the media whores are having way too
much fun with this... just watch Wolf whoring over it.

show a videotape of Uday and/or Qusay in a few days holding up the front page of a major newspaper? I don't doubt the mendacity of the Shrub cabal, but is it possible they would take such a huge risk? I admit I don't know...would not put many things past them but boy oh boy if it turns out the Hussein brothers were NOT killed, it would be just about the last nail in the coffin of these vampire bastards.

I don't know what comes after sublime then ridiculous........
:eyes:
:grr:

I am curious, however I will be rightly congradulated in two weeks time when the DNA tests come back negative.

Do you honestly believe the US Army would publish conclusions which don't fit the preconceived Bush warmachine propaganda crapola? PUHLEEZE......Yellowcake? Huh? Dead scientists? Wha? lies lies lies lies (and don't forget misdirection)......was wondering what little fait accompli they'd pull out of their asses to take the heat off.

The same reason that they won't plant WMDs.

i just don't think they'd take the chance. not with their credibility issues already a hot button. they just lined up their fall guys for the niger flap.

if i were betting, i'd bet on the bros being dead

are we really sure the US didn't know they were there all along?? Or was it not them and body doubles...like Saddam himself has....perhaps cheney pushed the CIA to get someone anyone to leak info and start the attack....to get bush off the front page......was just wondering....all too convenient!!!!!
***note.....people are eating this up...its praise bushy day.......hes a GREAT leader!!!!!LOL LOL LOL

How come we haven't even found any of Saddams many 'doubles' much less Saddam himself? :shrug:
There have been many reports about the 'four charred bodies removed from the rubble' but they insist that two of them 'look like' Saddam's sons!
:wtf: I've seen charred bodies before and in every case it took weeks of DNA or dental record checks to ID them. Even when you're 99% sure of who it is, it's still next to impossible to identify a 'charred' body without forensic tests much less by who it resembles! :crazy:

The thing that stinks the most is the idea that these guys would have only one bodyguard. Even under the *best* of circumstances, they were surrounded by bodyguards.

I believe that Uday and Qusay could already have been killed, even months ago, and this is an orchestrated spectacle, which was put on reserve, considered an "asset" by Rove, and kept in a back pocket for the day when Shrubbie needed to be bailed out. If that day ever were here, it is here now. The press had started turning on him, and this is a very convenient surprise.

So, Rove has played one of his big cards. Remaining cards include Saddam himself, Bin Laden, and the supposed WMDs. Count on the press to stifle any skepticism. My theory is that both Bin Laden and Saddam are also already dead, and are being held in the back pocket for the next time Shrubbie needs the media diverted. I bet bin Laden will be held back for the Oct., 2004 surprise.

the moon landings.

You are correct, 1 body guard? 2 Bros. 1 teenager in a fucking four hour battle. Come on. Why didn't they capture them? A little intel maybe?? This is Bushit.

I'll weed out all the rest of my post (which admittedly was rather long, but I haven't seen it mentioned on any other threads either) and just remind everyone that the "task force" that carried out this "raid" is the SAME task force (backed by armour, airpower and 200 men of the 101st) that "rescued" Pvt Lynch!

On the same day as Lynch's homecoming! I mean, the coincidence is astounding!

those two brutes...

Consider this too - Uday and Qusay didn't hang out together; didn't like each other.
The story on NPR is that the house belonged to Saddam's cousin who left in the morning and was seen with Army soldiers later in the day. The assumption is that he turned in the boys.

Why would they both be at this man's house? I don't buy it. If it really was them, killing them was STUPID. They would have been a hell of a lot more valuable alive - could have told us where Daddy is.

WH spin, spin, spin.

to throw us off track. The whole crime cabal will not get away. They will pay for their crimes sooner rather than later...

1. Uday and Qusay were killed during the opening days of the invasion as reported earlier.
2. Now that the heat is on the administration and its intelligence, the US stages a fake attack.
(How else do you explain a 4-hour battle involving over 200 US forces and air strikes against
3 adults and one teenager?)
3. They pull out badly charred bodies and produce DNA from the previous killing of Uday and Qusay
4. The US hypes the $15 milliion reward for publicity to get other Iraqis to come forward with info.
5. Bremer and Chalabi are just too coincedently meeting in NY.
6. The "intelligence" aspect will be hyped --- although it is being reported that the tip came from a
walk-in....which means no intelligence was needed...just a reward.
7. This happens at the same time of the Lynch homecoming event.

This is the mother of all conspiracies, I know...but this administration is capable of anything.
They may, however, be caught in their own pitard if the Baathist beat them at their own game and
produce videos with Uday and Qusay look-alikes who claim that they are still alive. Then what will we do?

Yeah, to make sure everyone knows what lies to tell and in what order to tell them.

I miss living in a Free Country, though I am temporarily pleased with this little twilight between the Death of the Old Republic and the Birth of the Bushevik Empire that allows me to pretend I still live in a Free Country.

I don't expect this twilight to last two decades, and it is very posible that it will end immediately after the Stalinist Joke that is the 2004 "election".

I'm guessing the post-military lifespan of member of Task Force 20 is not going to be that high.

We all know what Busheviks do to their patsies when they're done with 'em.

Their deaths don't mean squat to most anyone, unless you're a desperate freeper watching their (P)resident go down in flames or a US soldier in Iraq who might be the victim of payback.

Russia maybe

If this is not the two sons, this will backfire on Bush bigtime, mostly with the celebrating freepers...

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and most americans only read that their dead and that's that. The story now goes back to the lying. Don't get distracted by the bullshit.