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Gogi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:26 PM
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IBM employee leaks overheard conversation between executives.
A dismayed employee of IBM leaked a telephone conversation between two VP's where they discussed moving a lot of white collar jobs to India and how they should do it before their employees could think unionizing. I found this on MSNBC.com.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:29 PM
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1. Somehow....
this does not seem to be surprising.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:40 PM
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2. I'll bet my next month's salary...
that I know what political party those execs vote for
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dani Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:47 PM
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3. ugh!
this sucks. It seems like more developer and IT jobs are evaporating every day.

Here's the story on Yahoo News...

I.B.M. Explores Shift of White-Collar Jobs Overseas
With American corporations under increasing pressure to cut costs and build global supply networks, two senior I.B.M. officials told their corporate colleagues around the world in a recorded conference call that I.B.M. needed to accelerate its efforts to move white-collar, often high-paying, jobs overseas even though that might create a backlash among politicians and its own employees.

read the article here on Yahoo
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 05:53 PM
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4. IBM is anti-american too, it seems
What a shame that American-grown companies don't give a fricking fuck about the country that helped them to grow.

It's a pity those who lose their jobs have to suffer and not these heartless greedy !&@^#%$ executives who are the ones who deserve to be on the streets. Damn traitors...
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 06:10 PM
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5. This kind of stuff has been going on since the sixties
Edited on Tue Jul-22-03 06:11 PM by chaumont58
Look at the number of manufacturing jobs than have gone overseas because it is cheaper. I'm 65 years old and I can remember when the US pretty much made what it comsumed. I'm not in favor of IT jobs moving. I am a retired IBM main frame programmer. And, I'm glad I'm retired. What is to stop this? The same thing that stopped the manufacturing job? I don't know the answer. Perhaps there isn't one. One day, the US will wake up to a nation where nothing is made. Nothing of value is produced, only comsumed. The only people making any money will be the execs, and they will be making millions. Look at the example of Delta Airlines. Last year, the CEO made $14,000,000.00, and his company lost over $1,000,000,000.00. That maybe why the CEO wants to ship some reservation jobs to India.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 06:41 PM
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6. It will be a culture of a few very rich people
being served by poorly paid personal servants and similar menials.

Juswt like things were in Dickens' day, except the factories won't even be there.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:17 PM
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9. You are correct...
and I might add, a Service Economy cannot survive on its own.

Production and service must work together. Manufacturing is the base of every vital economy. Once you lose that aspect, you are stuck with a a Service Economy, and you have passed the point of no return.

Those that run major corp's now, not care less where the plant is located, as long as the labor is cheap, sort of like slavery. Ancient Rome became a Servive Economy and crashed to its knees. All they had were imports, war and an extended "Roman Class". They didn't even know they were doomed while the Goths and Visagoths were storming the gates. Too rich to worry.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 07:31 PM
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7. Let me tell you about Dell. <as if you didn't know>
I have a Mac and a Dell. Whenever I called tech support I would inevitably get an Indian guy on the phone. So one time I happen to ask him where he was located. I guessed California, and he said "No, I am in New Delhi." Since then I have found out that all their tech support people are actually in India.

I hate the word "outsourcing" - sending US jobs overseas. Very patriotic.

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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 07:36 PM
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8. Makes you want to support your local hacker...
to bring these traitor corporations to their knees.

Is Cyberwarfare the future battleground of Unions vs. Corporate-whores?
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