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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:48 AM
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We are losing Governorships, we lose everything!
The Republican Party is sooo aggressive
and it works for them again and again. If they
don't like something they put power behind it and
change it no matter what it takes they do it!

The Democratic Party is passive and that passiveness
is sooooo disappointing to people who believe in
its principles. I can see why Dean is so popular,
he has guts. Today I am so angry with our party...
they fail us again and again, its like trying to
whip an almost dead donkey into going forward. There
just isn't anything there anymore. I am depressed
and angry.....Someone please give me some hope today!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:49 AM
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1. o4godsake
get a grip. We the people are working it...join
the party.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:04 PM
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10. "get a grip"
on what? This is my day for acknowleging the
disappointments we've all felt time and again
the last three years. Last time I looked there
was room on DU for pain too. Excuse me while
I feel mine once in a while!
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:50 AM
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2. here's a handy reference map
from another thread:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/graphics/govmap_110503.htm

The Governors Landscape

29 Republican Governors
21 Democratic Governors
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 03:13 PM
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22. Thanks for map
New England sure sticks out doesn't it?
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OKHRANA Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:18 PM
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23. scary looking map
and most of the blue states (Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Arizona, Virginia, Pennsylvania) have been Repuke states before and easily could be again. Why are they winning all these races?????
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:15 AM
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27. It's the candidate, stupid
just an expression...you aren't stupid.

Democrats can win if we get strong candidates. They have to be to put up with the Republican smear machine. They have to be well-financed and have no hint of scandal in their background.

Now, how one goes about this task, well, that's another question.

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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:50 AM
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3. Then will you get behind Ms. Blanco in Louisiana even...
though some call her a "DINO" which I disagree with! Do you want to give the Rethugs another victory of us???
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:51 PM
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17. Yep...I'm voting Blanco
Went to an "Oilfiled for Blanco" rally last week in New Iberia. 200-300 people showed up to show our support for Blanco. There were several "Republicans for Blanco" signs in the crowd.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:51 AM
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4. you have to look at the overall result
don't let the mainstream media control what you think. Democrats won key races in contests across the country and in key states like Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Jersey, Ohio, and elsewhere.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:52 AM
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5. I don't think so. I think there will be a flip flop
Dems will take the national stage and repugs will take the local stage.
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the_angry_one Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:53 AM
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6. Tronto or Montreal?
Let's all move to Canada.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:02 PM
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8. sounds like a plan to me!
n/t
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:43 PM
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15. I may see you all in Vancouver.
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:52 PM by Cascadian
Not that Toronto or Montreal are nice. Just look at this scenery!


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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:09 PM
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19. Vancouver is beautiful
I was up there just a few weeks ago. It sure looks attractive on days like this, doesn't it?
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:12 PM
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20. We'll have lunch!
n/t
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:55 AM
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7. How Many GOP Governors Have Dem-Controlled Legislatures?
Anyone know?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:05 PM
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11. California for one
with the exception of thegropinator, evrery single elective state office is democratic. The legislature is overwhelmingly democratic too.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:36 PM
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21. States that have GOP governors and Dem legislatures
Alabama
Louisiana (but not for long. GO KATHLEEN BLANCO!)
Arkansas
California
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Maryland
Rhode Island
Hawaii
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:02 PM
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9. OK, - now U know how I felt on Oct 8th
first move around, then eat something nourishing and find out when & where your next LOCAL (county) or assembly district democratic meeting is, attend it (take another pissed off friend or 2) and open your mouth. I knew pissed off CA dems B4 10/7 but they were all twice as pissed off on 10/8! Last night 6 of us met around a dining room table to plan our assault on precincts w/ our eye on Nov. '04 elections.

You absolutely have 2 get up, walk out your front door and start shouting. If U don't raise some dust, nobody is going 2 know where U R.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:07 PM
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12. bzzzzzt. Govs don't mean much vis a vis presidential politics.
just look at all the staes w/ GOP govs we won (and vice versa) in 2000.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:31 PM
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13. I tend to agree....
Bush lost Michigan and Penn, both with Repug govs. And let's be honest, even if Musgrove won last night Mississippi was still going in Bush's column in 04.
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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:39 PM
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14. Don't lose faith
in your principles because the masses are scared little kittens that have lost their mittens. Don't let your passion fade because Murkins turn out to vote at 39.8% of registered.

We might have to slog through more of the same before it gets better but what choice do we have. I firmly believe that things have to d=change.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:51 PM
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16. "they fail us again and again"?
Your frustration is understandable but the target of your anger is misplaced. The Democratic Party is up against enormous odds that go well beyond its failures, as bad as they are. For the most part, the Democrats have fielded wonderful candidates, both yesterday and during the midterms, and yet voters still elect these stupid white men Republicans. When Minnesotans would rather elect Norm Coleman than Fritz Mondale something is seriously wrong. It's so stunningly impossible for many people in America to face up to what's really going on.

Don't like it. Do it better.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 12:59 PM
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18. Support Dean
He is our answer. No more Republican lite.
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OKHRANA Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:15 AM
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25. I second that, provided...
he stops putting his foot in his mouth
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 04:26 PM
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24. That does it. It's time for a revolt.
The establishment has failed us. A crappy campaign in 2000, lost seats in 2002, the California Recall, and now this. To hell with Terry and the rest of them. The party needs change in order to win.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:54 AM
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26. Governorships
We netted 3 governorships last fall and now we are right back to where we were before last November. At least if we lose Louisiana if will just be a Republican hold. Anything to stop the bleeding. The race for Ernie Fletcher's House seat will be the next race with national implications.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:19 AM
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28. We're losing our country
and in some ways we're allowing it to happen - not sure I know what to do about it - very upsetting - not just talking about the elections though.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 07:32 AM
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29. Relax, dude
You're going wacky.

And to look at most of the replies to this thread, it seems no one has a clue what the technical definition of "hysterical" is. Because the Freepers are having a lot of fun watching you folks act it out.

Short answer: you can subscribe to Triumph of The Will approaches (see under "Bush"; see under "Dean and other Imitations of Bush") or study the reality we live in and accept it for what it is.

Triumph of The Will approach: drink the Dean Koolaid, ignore that funny almond smell to it. Lose in the primaries. Or, if that doesn't work, fail in a record landslide in the general where Republicans will paint Dean as Bush lite (oh, the irony!).

Reality: One-party states don't work; an honest 55-45 split makes things work for the People. Republicans win in the South because they can still point to the remaining, now dysfunctional, Old Democrats and make the case for knocking them out of office. The next generation of Democratic politicians is only beginning to form at the moment. The Northeast has achieved most of this purging already, to the point of replacing Republicans with a new generation of Democrats. In California and the Pacific Northwest and Mid-Atlantic and Great Lakes they're in the middle of it. It's cultural evolution in action, visible as its political face.

Reality, Part II: Democrats are fighting out among themselves, purging from their collective the things for which they got removed from power. Despite limited victories, the truth is that the other side is in decline and what we are watching is their ever greater desperation to bring new people to their side and keep the ones they've had for a long time. Democrats are actually emerging out of the gray zone where the Parties can compensate for small differences in strength with structural advantages with a majority- if we can unify it. The gray zone is about 3% of voters, and our side- which was the minority- finally reached it around the end of the Clinton impeachment. Four years later we've gained the 3% and are emerging out of the gray zone. In most of the Blue States we're on the other side, in most of the Red States we're not. In another year, we'll be about 0.7% further. If Gore could get almost the whole available electorate to vote for him, the next nominee (with one or two exceptions among the top five at present) will do as well or better.

Reality, Part III: Republicans are doing everything they can think of to maximize their structural advantages and sway people. They overreach and are aggressive- it's what you do when you have power and are probably soon to lose it. A nearly Bolshevik insurgency inside their opponents' coalition is the best thing they can hope for, and that's why you see them attacking the serious candidates other than Dean.

Reality, Part IV: The Republican hold on much of the South and parts of the Midwest is pretty thin. Ohio and Florida is where they are most painfully vulnerable, and places like Nevada, Arizona, New Hampshire, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Missouri are slipping away from them in the next two or three election cycles.

So let Mississippi and Kentucky go. They weren't within reach- Musgrove had nothing to show for four years as governor, and Patton's foibles plus Chandler's unwillingness to run on local issues were taken as reason enough to believe there, as in Mississippi, that local Democrats had not reformed sufficiently, come with better answers and people than Republicans, just yet. Of course, that's not how people tell the story or the media report it. But it's there between the lines in every attempt at an explanation.

I personally think that the Dean campaign is not going to make it. In January or so Dean will be running worst against Bush and the whole "electibility" can of worms will dog him. Maybe the primary voters won't warm to whoever emerges as the best choice, but by the fall most of the Dean supporters will have gotten over their miscalculations and it will be a winnable, fairly close, contest. And our side will have unity again, and not as fragile a kind as in the fall of '00.

You too will be able to believe again. Sure, you may be burnt out at the moment. Take some time off, let the 30-some million primary voters make the choice of nominee for you if you must- get on with your life and come back to politics in the summer. Under 1% real shift in the electorate per year is very frustrating to deal with unless you find a pattern in the storyline that makes it much easier to anticipate the swings in fortunes. (I watch the present develop in what seem to me strong parallels to events and power dynamic of a late portion of the Civil War. It seems to have predictive power, or has at least made me aware of how many interlinked theaters the present conflict is being played out in and how.)

Good luck and good cheer.

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