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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 11:50 AM Original message |
What explains these self-contradictions in the DU world-view? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Realism. |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. ...or cowardice. |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. That's right. Here's an example - |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 12:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Like it or not ... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. Poor Kucinich loyalists... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. I totally agree that the DP is lacking courage and conviction |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. If idealism remains floating in the realm of ideals |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. Because we don't own the media |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Pragmatism.... |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. So |
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Cornus (720 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Boils down to... |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. Clinton beat Republicans at their own game--people like a winner |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Spot On.... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. I'll second that |
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Kinkistyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
74. Ex-Presidents not supposed to talk smack. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. Everybody loves a winner |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That Wasn't Nice |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Why would you call Kucinich a loser? |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. At the white house level it's true |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Dennis Kucinich is a loser. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 05:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Ok |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Check your facts. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 12:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
73. I did |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. Comments on both issues |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. You can have a favorable opinion of someone |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
11. struggling with Kucinich |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Re: "a disconnect between the message and the messenger..." |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 05:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Spot on! |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. Your points are symptomatic of the enervated state of the Dems |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. What do you mean by "work?" |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. "work" means "gets elected" |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Do you think that if there was a sudden groundswell of support for DK |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. "would DU support for DK translate out into the Democratic Party at large? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. The best goods in the parcel? You mean the purest ideology? |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 04:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. No, I don't mean the purest ideology |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. That's my sense of it too: DU reflects the same Dem spinelessness |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 01:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. I admire your loyalty to your candidate. |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Well, Burt, isn't the question there how much of the official framing of |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 05:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Well said. |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. give Clinton 2 hours with the UN |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. Pretty deep philosophical question |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. The macho factor |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Rich, why have so many Democrats in the House/Senate supported the War? |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I don't think it's a mystery. My take is that... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. I must be in the 40 percent that doesn't deify Clinton.... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I don't "deify" Clinton either |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well.... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
24. Speaking as a believer in DK's ideas.... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I have qualms about DK being a good president |
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seventhson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. so you let BUSH stay instead of DK??? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:37 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. you must not read my posts much |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. Because putting a Democrat face on the PNAC strategies is the priority |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. If it was about only the issues |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Don't be disingenuous. |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. These are hardly contradictory |
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corporalclegg9 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. Good at Math? How about Expected Return... |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Admittedly, this is a very cute argument. |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Nice model |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
35. If it were just about policies and "ideas," |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
36. On the other hand... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 05:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Given The Fact |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Given the fact |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. link? source? |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
37. Clinton didn't invade Iraq |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
38. Just because someone has a firmly positive opinion of Bill Clinton |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Of course not. But Iraq is not just some little detail - it's a very, very |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Yes. |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. not as much of a disconnect as it seems |
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spindoctor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. Good observations |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
46. Good questions, RichM. I wish I could answer them. I can't understand |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
48. non-media whores |
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imhotep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
49. COWARDICE |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-05-03 06:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. As is often the case... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Is it alright for me to just disagree with Kucinich? |
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boxster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
62. Look at the numbers. 144 votes out of 34k people doesn't mean much. |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:52 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. DU actually has nowhere near 34k members. That number is just |
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boxster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. My point is - don't count on a poll with 144 contributors to mean much. |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
64. The messenger matters as much as the message. |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I understand this point. What bothers me, though, is that I see on DU |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:44 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. It is a serious fight, Rich |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Nicely Said !! |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I agree, wT2. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
66. Putting ideas through Congress |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
70. I don't worship Clinton and I support Kucinich in the primaries... |
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Scott Lee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
76. Answers |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
79. Ideas aren't the only consideration I use in picking a candidate. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-06-03 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
80. I've Never Liked Bill Clinton |
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