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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:47 PM
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Am I the only one who fails to see the memo leak as a scandal?
So I went out to FAUXnews.com to read the actual memo, expecting to find some startling political maneuvering (not that Republicans have EVER used investigations for political means) since every dang talking head on their lousy TV network was breathlessly reporting how damaging this memo was. What I found was actually a rational plan of attack, one that stressed working with the Republicans as long as possible until a roadblock was reached. Then, pull the trigger on an independent investigation.

So where's the scandal? It makes no specific reference to wanting to draw the investigation out so as to hurt *'s election chances next year, or anything like that. Damn media whores.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:49 PM
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1. and, umm, how may "memos" do you think the
Republicans have?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:49 PM
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2. Why are we only hearing about this on FAUX???
....possibly just some more propaganda???
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:50 PM
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3. I don't know about the memo
what is it?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:51 PM
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4. I hate to post a link to the garbage site, but...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:58 PM
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9. thanks
I agree, this is not a scandal, the memo just shows that the dems don't want to be part of the GOP coverup for Bush.

I think the republicans are under considerable pressure to do a real investigation, and this is their desparate attempt to justify their total failure to get to the bottom of the matter.

I don't think it will work. Everyone continue to contact your republican representatives and demand that they stop covering up for Bush!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:52 PM
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5. It has me stumped as well
I have read the memo, I've read Faux's coverage, and I just don't see a scandal for the Democrats.

Maybe a scandal for Bush, however, if this 'memo' issue gets talked about enough, since it's quite easy to go from talking about the memo itself, to talking about what the memo was talking about, ie., our lying pResident and his ill-conceived adventure in Iraq.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:55 PM
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7. If anything, it shows the Dems are growing a little spine back.
Saying essentially, "We'll work with the Republicans as much as they'll let us, but when push comes to shove we're going to make sure the public gets the whole story."

I don't see why that is a bad thing for our party. We've laid down for Repukes and their tactics for so long, it's about time.
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E Pluribus Unum Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:55 PM
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8. It is no scandal; I agree. It will be gone in 3 days.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:52 PM
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6. Did you see the WH press briefing today?
A RW reporter was trying to make a BIG deal out of it.
And, where are the LIBERAL press representatives in that group of whores? In the back row where they cannot ask questions?
This was the most embarrassing press briefing I have seen in a long time.
No questions of any substance, just blabbing about "partial birth abortion" where Bush is showing his compasionate conservatism and his respect for life which he hopes all Americans will embrace. I am actually crying... This day is dark and cold and all this crap is driving me absolutely nutty.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:01 PM
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10. It's not a real scandal, but it is damaging
Basically, the republicans just got a peek at our playbook. They want to publicise it, so they frame it as a scandal.

More false outrage. Politics as usual from both sides.

yawn
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:03 PM
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11. well, they're trying to whip it...
....into a scandal.

But the reason they're trying to whip it is to energize their base, I think. Dirty old Dims, you know, will do anything to win. Each time George's numbers fall, they whip out something to make their base angry.

I saw a Dem representative on FAUX this morning, and he did a pretty good job of turning it around on them.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:06 PM
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12. Republicans are trying to go on the offensive, but it's
a pathetic attempt, IMHO.

Basically, their "scandal" breaks down to...

1. Bush invades Iraq to remove WMD's.
2. No WMD's are found in Iraq.
3. Bush blames the CIA for intelligence failures.
4. Investigation seeks to explain the "intelligence failures".
5. Bush refuses to cooperate with the Republican-run investigation.
6. Republicans don't press the issue.
7. Minority (Democrats) seek a path around the Republican's party-line stonewalling.

So yeah, I see a scandal there, but it's go nothing to do with the memo.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:08 PM
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13. Perception becomes reality
If no one actually reads the memo and only goes by what the "Liberal Media" tells them it will be known as a scandal. Perception Becomes Reality. This is something the GOP knows very well. They use this tactic often. Lies and the Lying LIARS who tell them.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:18 PM
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15. You're absolutely right.
On FAUX, they just show a tiny 2x2 inch square of the actual memo, and say "you can read the full text on our website", but how many FAUX viewers are gonna bother? The talking heads have spoken, and have said this is bad news for the Democrats, and therefore it is true.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:08 PM
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14. This is a Republican diversionary scandal
This Sunday, Pat Roberts, the Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and Jay Rockefeller, the ranking minority vice chairman, were on Blitzer's Sunday talk show. Rockefeller complained that the White House had not been forthcoming in released its classified intelligence briefings to the special committe investigating 9/11. Both had insisted last week the committee could not proceed without them. Sandbagging him completely, Roberts announced, live on air with Rockefeller split screen, that he had come to an agreement with the WH to release the documents the previous Friday but that he neglected to inform him or any of the Democrats on the committee. Wow. Big story. Bush coming clean on 9/11. Of course, day before yesterday, Monday, Roberts was already backtracking, releasing a statement that the WH agreed to give up only some of the documents. That afternoon this "leak" mysteriously appeared. Big fuss over nothing. Except now no one seems to be mentioning why Roberts had to backtrack or whether the WH suddenly decided to change its mind.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 02:19 PM
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16. did you catch this thread earlier?
posted by LittleApple81 

Wed Nov-05-03 11:32 AM


C-Span-2 John Rockefeller talking about memo (11:32 a.m. ET)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=653695
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