One more reason Dean will have it tough in the south

Website to mobilize pastors on issue of same-sex 'marriage'
Nov 4, 2003
By Michael Foust
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A national Christian organization is seeking to mobilize 50,000 pastors against same-sex "marriage" and has set up a website for the effort.
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ChurchCoalition.com, a website of the American Family Association, was launched in late October with the goal of lining up thousands of pastors across the country to defend the traditional definition of marriage. The website promises occasional e-mail updates about various pro-family issues -- including same-sex "marriage" -- and additionally promises

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An amendment that would ban same-sex "marriage" has been introduced in the House of Representatives and has roughly 100 co-sponsors. Labeled the "Federal Marriage Amendment," it has yet to be introduced in the Senate. Some conservatives want it strengthened so that it will also ban Vermont-type civil unions that give same-sex couples most of the benefits of marriage without the name.

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The Baptist are gonna play this to the hilt.

There's gays in the South, too!

the point. I have cousin who lives in south Texas who is gay and a sister who lives in north Texas who is a right-winger. The way they treated him at my dad's funeral was disgusting. We talked about how Texas had at one time been "tolerable" conservative, but now he fears for his life at times.

but now he fears for his life at times.

He should exercise his second amendment right and get a concealed carry permit if he truly fears for his life.

Honestly LEAVE that Gop hellhole. It is nice to be yourself at will. Oh yeah, carry a gun.
BTW,Palm Springs just elected the first black-gay-mayor. Tell your cousin. Life is better with tolerant society- cause this is a freeper county, yet, gays can change society.

appreciate hearing that. I felt so sorry for him. His own dad--my uncle--has disowned him. My dad took him under his wing. He always chastised his brother for doing that to his son.

I love my dad.

Columbia, SC, isn't exactly San Francisco, but they do exist, in numbers large enough for me to notice. I know. I used to live there.

Missed you in Utica this evening.

I see your point. Please tell me which dem candidate is not for equal rights for gays so I can support him.

I think what is unspoken in this debated over what Dean said..... Is that he may well have iniitated a debate among good ole bys about what the GOP has done or not done for them. I think that a bunch of white plotiicains running for Prse standing up and saying thats Dean's comments is offensive to African AMerican will really benefit Dean in Southern Primary.

It shows he is not a lock step liberal. Se the issue in the south is not the dixie flag or slaveery or the "War of Northern Agression" As my Fireinds in Dixie call it... Its about being told what is proper and what is not. Its not about heritage... it about being told how to think.

Is it if you wil, Yankee liberals having the nerve to tell us what is proper. What Dean is saying is not endorsing of the confederate flag...it is endorseing of cultural distinctions and saying that good ole boys need a and deserve a seat at the table as well.

That will actually Play very well in the SOuth and they will take an honest look at the guy.

All the "political aware Dems" are going apeshit pro and con over the "terrible,ghastly or great, wonderful" Dean flag remarks. Of course, 99% of the normal dudes out there have no idea about his remarks just like they have no idea who the hell Dean or the rest of our nine member baseball team are. Soooo, do you really think a bunch of Rush rednecks slammed on the brakes of their red truck today, petted old yeller on the the head, picked their teeth and said "shucks, I think I'll mosey over to the general store, ask Hank to turn on the radio, and listen a spell to that thar Dean fellow". They have been trained to piss on Dems. That's all they know. Let's not make this thing into a major "happening"..it ain't...it's all in our heads and the heads of a bored media who have people like us for an audience in the evening after the "news". We didn't get to ONE redneck....unfortunately Dean might have stepped in the primary doo-doo where we are all sensitive about this insignificant crap. He either learns to play the political game or he dies by it.

It ios precisely that ype of Asinie Stereo type of white Southesn males,,, that push them towards the GOP.

Not all Southerns who have a dixie flag are bigots and rednecks. Perhaps they are wrong..but to them it is about being a rebel not about the old south. Its a "Live Free or Die" of how they want to live life. and the argument is really about some one telling them they can't live free.

It is all over the news. It may last only a day or two but it is out there.

so what's your point?

I don't need the attitude. I thought we were all in this together. Second of all, this will not be HIS choice on whether he campaigns on this issue or not. My POINT is, he needs to be aware of the ambush that will take place at some point during this campaign from these people, so as to know better how to handle it and believe me, as someone who lives in the south--it WILL come at some point. The right-wingers know we don't have a front-runner yet, but they know Dean is winning big and they are gettin' ready.

If Dean is our man, then he will EVENTUALLY, have to address this issue with the right-wingers/aka: southern baptist. They are already arming themselves with a "coalition" to fight. So sad but true.

Ironically, this has nothing to do with Jesus as they would like to make people think. It's about bigotry cloaked behind a "ministry to help families."

The republicans will make a huge issue of gay marriage - they'll say Dean is leading us down the path where gays will be everywhere, seducing your sons & daughters to the dark side.

n/t

due to his stance on gay rights and abortion, but for those one issue voters who want their guns, when they hear about Dean and balancing budgets and A rating from the NRA he has a shot!

that Dean will get any fundie votes???????

Get real. Those are Bushbots.

Not all southerners are fundies, believe me. I live in the deep south. We have more than our share, but thankfully they are not in the majority.

Unfortunately, they vote like motherfuckers.

I know that it this pisses off Dems than the GOPers love it, think about it.

get it. What pisses Dems off? Bigots?

Dean doesn't support "gay marriage", he supports granting the same rights married couples get, but calling it something else. Civil Unions is not gay marriage. Just as Dean believes that gays need to have equal rights, responsibilities and protections, he also believes that the church needs to have it's autonomy. Separation of Chruch and State is a good thing, and this issue falls under that category.

And I shouldn't have to point it out to anyone that parishoners don't take everything their ministers tell them as gospel. A good many southerners go to church not so much because they are extremely religious as it is that they go for appearances, because it's just the proper thing to do. I can't even count the number of southerners I knew living there who went to church religiously every Sunday while committing damn near every sin imagineable Monday thru Saturday. To be fair, the northern church goers are essentially the same. Go to confession, make the appearance so you don't feel guilty, and sin like a banshee 6 days a week. Hell, even the preachers have been known to do this. My ex husband's family are "devout catholics". His aunt is a nun and she puts away the Jack Daniels like nobody's business. Let them pitch a fit and watch it backfire and turn people off. I've seen it all happen before, and it's NOT something anyone should be losing any sleep over. As soon as the actual battle happens, gay rights will come out victorious. If it began tomorrow, gay rights would win. Everyone has a friend or family member or at least knows someone who is gay. As soon as you put an actual face on homosexuality the entire mentality towards the issue changes. This fight is ripe for the winning, whenever the homosexual community decides to make the push.

don't fall for it. It's pure bait.