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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:38 PM
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Assuming our nominee will win every state Gore did...
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 09:38 PM by ALago1
What state(s) should a substantial amount of resources be devoted to?

I think New Hampshire has a possibility to fall our way

Possibly Nevada?

Note: NH & Nevada results in a tie!

Maybe Arizona can be a target?

Is Florida worthy of consideration?

I really don't know much about the analysis of election trends so someone who is versed in this area, I would appreciate your thoughts.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:41 PM
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1. ARKANSAS
Bush has to win Florida to have any shot. Dems only need to pick up one small state and they win with your assumption.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:11 PM
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10. Not quite
With the new electoral college allotments based on the 2000 census, we would need far more than one small state to win.

In 2000, Gore's states had a net total of 267 electoral votes. Now I think the figure is 260.

I hope my home state does go Dem, and I believe Ohio can be coaxed over to our side.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:53 PM
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2. All signs are pointing to a Dem landslide..
The current Marist poll has 44% definitely voting for the Dem, 38% for Bush - one year before the election. Assuming the other 18% undecided split 12-6 for the Dems, a 56%-44% blowout is possible..

This analysis excludes the Nader effect (2.7% of the total vote). If we assume the Dems get even 60% of the Greens, this would win it for them outright, based on 2000 numbers. No switchover from Bush is needed.

If 10% (1/10) of Bush voters switch to the Dem, add the 124 Electoral votes of the following states to the 267 Gore EV, or 391:

8 ARIZONA
6 ARKANSAS
8 COLORADO
25 FLORIDA
8 LOUISIANA
11 MISSOURI
4 NEVADA
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE
21 OHIO
11 TENNESSEE
13 VIRGINIA
5 WEST VIRGINIA

If 4% (1/25) of Bush voters switch to the Dem, add the 76 Electoral votes of the following states to the Gore EV, or 343:

25 FLORIDA
11 MISSOURI
4 NEVADA
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE
21 OHIO
11 TENNESSEE
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:37 PM
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14. That would truly be a decisive victory
Dem - 391 (72.7%)
Rep - 147 (27.3%)

That's what I call a landslide!!! Get it up into FDR territory (98.5% of the electoral vote), and I may just drop dead of a heart attack.

Dem - 343 (63.8%)
Rep - 195 (36.2%)

That would be great too. A decisive victory would go a long way.

Do you really think we could pull it off?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:57 PM
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3. I favor a western and Ohio strategy.
If we carry Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire, West Virginia, and Ohio, that provides a convincing win of 313 EVs.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:00 PM
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6. Thats the thing about Dean
I know Dean is big with the Dems in NH, but if the Reps like him too and assuming dems hold all states from 2000, NH would be all we need to win.
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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:03 PM
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7. I'm tinkering with the Edwards website electoral map...
...and unless they haven't adjusted electoral votes per state due to the recent census, winning everything in 2000 and NH wouldn't put us over the top:

Dem: 264
Repub: 274
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:04 PM
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9. Try with my strategy.
You get a nice 313. Those states can all be had too.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:58 PM
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4. Ohio, West Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Florida
My top 6.
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:58 PM
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5. If Dean's the nominee and he takes all Gore states...
...there's just no reason why New Hampshire wouldn't be bank. No reason.

Later.

RJS
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:41 PM
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15. Nevada should also definitely go Democratic
With Bush being so eager to dump all of our nuclear waste in Nevada, I can't see them voting for him again. I was amazed that they fell for it the first time. I think even Nevada would have put Gore over the top.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:03 PM
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8. Let's not forget reapportionment.
If the next election runs the same way the past one did, Bush would win by 18 electoral votes rather than just four, thanks to reapportionment.

We need to fight Bush on every front and take nothing for granted.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:23 PM
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11. It's silly to assume our nominee will carry all the Gore states
Iowa, Wisconsin, Oregon and a few others went for Gore by only the tiniest of margins.
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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:29 PM
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13. I don't think it's that silly
Having the Dem candidate win every state the dem candidate won in 2000 is certainly in the realm of possibility. I would even venture to say that it is in the realm of being probable.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:25 PM
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12. My humble election scenario
This isn't really based on jack squat, but it's one of my little dream scenarios...



Add New Hampshire, and the tally becomes (IIRC), 279-259.
Add Arkansas, and it becomes 281-257. Add them both and it becomes 285-253.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:44 PM
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16. These are the states we should target that went red
NH
WV
KY
TN
MO
AR
LA
FL
NV
CO
AZ

Those are the red states that we should aggressively target.
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liberalcapitalist Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:21 AM
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17. Florida??
I would assume this is in the bag for the Dems. I mean, all of those disenfranchised voters, minorities mostly, are gonna come back with avengence, and they're gonna bring a friend or two, too.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:36 AM
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18. Don't assume
Those same disenfranchised voters re-elected Jeb Bush even after every one of them were well aware that is was his office that fucked them in 2000.

Rp
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 05:50 AM
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19. Wisconsin's not a given
I campaigned for our new Governor Doyle in 2002 and it was way closer than it should have been with Scott McCallum who became Gov. when Tommy Thompson took the Cabinet position from Bush. Thompson so brainwashed these people that even when everything was going in the toilet they voted for McCallum enough to make it relatively close. Same can be said for the Gore win here. If a candidate doesn't spend some real time here, Bush will win here. With the multiple Milwaukee visits he has made and the financial backer of the PNAC being here I think we are going to have to work hard for this state.

Rp
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