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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:09 AM
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Gary Hart suggests Dean peaked too soon while campaigning for Kerry in NH
Kerry gets a little Hart in New Hampshire

By SAM YOUNGMAN
PoliticsNH.com

CONCORD, Nov. 5 -- Former New Hampshire primary winner Gary Hart was in the Granite State Wednesday stumping in his old stomping grounds for an old friend.

<snip>

He also sounded off on former Gov. Howard Dean, whom he said is blunt and direct almost to a fault.

“Candidates do peak, and sometimes they peak too soon,” Hart said.

He suggested to the media that they run a poll focusing not on who they’re voting for, but instead who their second choice might be, adding that he didn’t think Dean would be on many people’s list.

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http://www.politicsnh.com/archives/pindell/2003/11_5Hart.shtml
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MartinAmbroseForan Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:13 AM
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1. This race is far, FAR from over
Now if Dean doesn't completely blow Kerry out, Kerry will declare victory a la Clinton in '92!
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:29 AM
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4. Kerry would be the first MA candidate to lose NH
Clinton was from the South running against a MA Democrat (Tsongas). Kerry has to win. Dean has to win. Who ever loses is out.
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MartinAmbroseForan Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:38 AM
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8. Oh pleeeezzz!
With the build up Dean has had over these last 6 months he either blows him out of the water (at LEAST 12%) or Kerry lives!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:04 PM
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13. I agree
Dean has to do incredibly well in order to be viable.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:57 AM
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12. A Mass. and VT. candidate have never before competed
this is new. (Geographic note: Vermont/NH border is probably twice as long as Mass/NH.)
Political Note: NH is famously independent.
2004 Note: Dated Dean, Married Kerry. :)
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:20 PM
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15. But the Massachusetts border is 3 times more populated.
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 12:25 PM by ozone_man
So, if Kerry loses NH, he should drop out. :-)

http://ftp2.census.gov/geo/maps/special/profile2k/NH_2K_Profile.pdf
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:24 PM
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18. You Forgot Ted Kennedy.....
Carter beat Ted Kennedy and Jerry Brown in New Hampshire in 1980...

That and the loss in Iowa a week before crippled his campaign before he regained his stride by winning New York and some of the big industrialized states...
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:15 AM
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2. Why are we listening to Monkey Business?
I don't think Dean's as stupid as you are, Gary, so hit the bricks. You stopped mattering when the New Kids on the Block's career died out.

Later.

RJS
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:29 AM
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5. Leave Gary alone
He's alright. Wrong. But alright.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:44 AM
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11. Agreed...
...I disagree with his sentiment here, which may go a long way toward explaining the strategy of the congressional candidate alliance, but he's ok.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:30 AM
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6. Because he knows a lot more about politics
than just about this whole forum combined. Not saying he's right, mind you. But dismissing out of hand a man who has been root-down in politics since 1968 is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming to drown out the world around you.
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reachout Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:31 PM
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21. Funny,
but telling reporters "Go ahead, follow me -- you'll be bored." when you are actually cheating on your wife just doesn't cut it as political acumen in my book.

Perhaps we're talking about politics as different creatures.
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:33 PM
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22. Exactly.
All he knows about politics, and he's a buffoon with sitcom hair and an ego problem. Much like...who am I thinking of here, Will? ;)

Later.

RJS
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:46 PM
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23. Well...
We all know how Clinton's passion for hummers almost destroyed his presidency. Barney Frank had a live-in guest who ran a prostitution ring out of his house. Both are extraordinarily savvy political operators who had stupid moments of personal weakness. I wouldn't summarily dismiss advice from either of them just because they got caught canoodling. Same goes for Hart, though he's wrong about Dean.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:27 PM
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19. It's Great That We Can Piss All Over Our Political Forbearers....
Maybe we should be like the old Soviets and airbrush out of pictures people who fall out of favor....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:49 PM
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24. Hart is the SMARTEST national security guy out there.
Remember the Hart-Rudman report?

Go ahead and ignore Hart's warnings. Bush and Cheney did, too. That worked out well for the country, didn't it?
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:02 PM
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25. I hope someday
I can cowrite one report and be considered the smartest guy out there.

I mean I wrote a really good report once in my symbolism in anthropology class. But it didn't get me those kinds of accolades.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:16 AM
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3. Just because Hart got caught "peaking too soon"
doesn't mean he is an authority on the subject. Is he stuck back in his own primary problems? I suspect he's doing a bit of projecting on this one. Maybe he should just take Kerry's advice and "get over it". :D

Yeah, this is both "snarky" and "mean", but when I hear politicians repeating ridiculous talking points, they deserve a good lampooning.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:36 AM
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7. he's just repeating the meme the Kerry camp is trying to spread
a few months ago Kerry said Dean was "imploding".

Joe Trippi replied that if they were in fact "imploding", imagine what'll happen when they explode.

:nuke:
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MartinAmbroseForan Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:39 AM
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9. And if Kerry lives past NH
Dean will be in trouble. Dean HAS to knock him out in NH! Not true for Kerry.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 01:40 AM
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10. Dean's raised more money this quarter than his rivals did last quarter.
I hear it's up to 5 mil already.

And then comes the SEIU endorsement.

Dean's peaking too soon, alright! What an implosion!
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:13 PM
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14. So where is the peak?
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 12:15 PM by GumboYaYa
Dean looks to be getting the SEIU endorsenment today. His fund raising is continuing at a pace that the other candidates can only dream about. The AFSCME is leaning toward endorsing Dean. His meetups are growing faster than any other candidate. He is still in a statistical dead heat in Iowa with Gep and continues to lead Kerry in NH by a significant margin. If you turn on the news, the only person being talked about is Dean.

I respect Gary Hart, but he is staying on message for his guy and not giving real political analysis. I see nothing in the current news to indicate that Dean has peaked. In fact it looks like he may still be building his strength.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:22 PM
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16. Hot water!
How can a person be so brazen as to make such aclaim when there is no support in the facts?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:23 PM
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17. I like Gary Hart
but what do you expect him to day? he has to say something to keep the faithful happy.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 12:31 PM
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20. Dean peaked too soon? How about Kerry peaked too low? n/t
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