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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:22 AM
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Is Jesse Helms a Stalinist?
If Lyndon Larouche worked to help him win, he must have some Stalinist beliefs.
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MartinAmbroseForan Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:26 AM
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1. Okay, what is a "Stalinist"?
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Resistance Is Futile Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:59 AM
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3. Stalinism
Stalinism: The bureaucratic, authoritarian exercise of state power and mechanistic application of Marxist-Leninist principles associated with Stalin.

Stalin:
This guy. Leader of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War (known in the west as WWII).
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:52 AM
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9. Stalin was a dictator, not a marxist
Stalin came to power during communism, but that is in only link with the left. Much like Hitler (and Bush) came to power during a democracy.
Stalin was a dictator and a tyrant.
It is a typical RW canard to try and associate the Left (Socialism/Communism/Marxism) with 'evildoers' like Stalin.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 02:32 AM
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2. I am assuming that a stalinist
is someone that is a socailist totatlitarian
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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:02 AM
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4. All right all right...
It was just a desperate attempt at bashing one of the worst that the GOP ever had to "offer" America.
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Resistance Is Futile Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:39 AM
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5. Contemporary reThugs
Most of the current crop of reThugs are somewhat Stalinist (strong government controls and all) but they're more Trotskite than anything else.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:42 AM
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6. "Trotskite"
First of all, the slur is "Trotskyite"; the accepted term is "Trotskyist". Second of all, would you care to defend your assertion, or are you just spouting off what someone else told you?

Martin
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:34 AM
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8. could you perhaps explain that silly statement?
What, if anything, do you know about Trotsky/Trotskyists lead you to this very dubious suggestion?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 03:12 AM
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12. ?
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:43 AM
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7. Larouche is a fascist, not a Stalinist
There is a difference.

Martin
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:56 AM
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10. so how'd you characterize Bush?
If one of Bush's most outspoken critics is a fascist, then what does that make Bush?
For all i know it is widely understood amongst Liberals that the Bush regime has more then a few fascist characteristics.
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Michael Harrington Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 07:24 AM
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11. I doubt
Jesse Helms could make it through the Short Program.

There is a substantial contingent of the Neo-Con movement that is made up of long-ago disaffected Tortskyists who've somehow ossified into what they are now. Most notably Irving Kristol and (by extention rather than personal experience), his grisly son.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 04:59 AM
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13. rummy, wolfy ect
They to were once anti-communist far-lefties, which is a bit of a contradiction in terms. but it all makes sense if they were in fact agents provocateur.
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