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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 04:38 AM
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saddam's son's bodies 'too shot up' to identify..........hhhmmmmmm
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Dont B bush N Me Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 04:48 AM
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1. All day stories about how the two tortured and murdered.
I guess they felt the need to justify the killing. Seems to me they could have gassed em out of the house, wouldn't it have been better to take them alive? Not for the bloodthirsty. Its unseemly how the Republicans and some Democrats are jumping up and down at their deaths.
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 04:58 AM
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3. It probably would have been preferable to take them alive...
but it's not always an option. We're all fabulous armchair quarterbacks.
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Dont B bush N Me Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 05:42 AM
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6. My armchair quarterback skills are not only fabulous but iimpeccable
and when looked at in hindsight inspired!
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 04:55 AM
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2. JihadUnspun editor skeptical . . .

Investigation Underway Whether Saddam's Sons Were Killed
Jul 23, 2003
Source: SFGate

Editors Note: Although new reports seem to suggest conclusively the death of Saddam's two sons, Uday and Qusay, we caution our readers to view these reports as preliminary. The bodies were identified at the scene by unnamed sources and the DNA also now enroute to Baghdad also comes from undisclosed sources.

What is most curious is that we have repeatedly seen high level arrests and kills when support for the war machine is dwindling. This latest announcement by the Pentagon comes at a time there is a great deal of controversy surrounding the forged intelligence that started the war in Iraq, the suicide of David Kelly and the number of US and British forces being killed in "post war" Iraq that has put unprecedented pressure on both George Bush and Tony Blair. Furthermore, both Bush and Blair have been quick to offer soundbites that further their casue. It appears that this "boost to US forces" comes at a time when it is needed most and we advise readers that information and in particular, footage that pertains to this event should be closely scrutinized as it becomes available in the coming days and weeks.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=68407&list=/home.php&

TYY
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 05:00 AM
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4. Robert Fisk is tentatively skeptical too
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 05:37 AM
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5. For some reason wag the dog things came into my mind.
Polls drop and someone gets killed. I wonder if any pictures went on Arab TV? I have to refind one of those TV stations. It was 'good' we killed the 14 year old he my have led a new gov right? Where does the 30 M come from? Which tax payers pay that? Is the US really putting out that a few Arabs fought to the death while greatly out numbered by AM army. Do they know how that will play in the MIddle East? Course in this country death plays well. I never saw a group like this GOP and right wing that like to kill things. Born killers I would say. Well I guess it is better than bring them here and blaming the 911 on them or the endless blood thing that would go on. Frankly I do think the world will be better off with out these two men but I hate the glee of death we have in this country and it is getting worse all the time.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:00 AM
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7. I too, find it somewhat disturbing...
that bush and Co find it delightful that these two are dead.

For starters,if I werew in charge of the raiding party, I would have gone into seige mode. I would have wanted these two alive, a great source of intelligence was disposed of.

On the morality front, this was more of an assassination than a firefight. Judging by what I saw on TV, it seemed to me that at least a company was involved, and the firepower was overwhelming. For the people involved in the house, while they were being assaulted from the front, it seems that a trained squad could have gone into the back door, and captured the sons. That would have brought the legitimacy of a future trial.

However, I believe that the last thing the administration wanted was a public trial, in an international court. These guys would have had an immense amount of knowledge of things that might prove embarassing for the present, and past administrations.

While Iraq is surely better off with these guys out of the picture,
I cannot condone what I see as assassination by my gov't.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:02 AM
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8. exactly, dead men tell no tales
saddam, and his 'dead' sons know a lot of things i bet could destroy bushco
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:59 AM
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13. Good point, and very convenient timing
Notice that the story of the lies in Bush's* last State of the Union address is starting to gather steam rather than dying away. Deputy Nat'l Security Advisor Stephen Hadley just confessed that he knew back in Oct. 2002 that the intelligence wasn't true. (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31597-2003Jul22.html?nav=hptop_tb)

Sounds like the time for a "big news" story to distract the press!
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:22 AM
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15. That is the MO for everything this admin does...
as soon as it gets too hot, some 'great news' pops up.

In the case of the two sons, I would have done everything possible to capture them. Just too great of an opportunity there to gather an immense amount of intelligence.

Like mopaul says, 'dead men tell no tales'.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 09:13 AM
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21. That's why Saddam will never be found alive
He knows too much, and has the receipts.
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Uroboros Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:06 AM
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9. Now wait a minute!
Edited on Wed Jul-23-03 06:09 AM by Uroboros
The bodies are too shot up to identify? I thought they had been identified already? But yet they're so shot up they need to do DNA tests to identify them. But they told us yesterday they had killed Saddam's sons. But yet they can't be sure because they're too shot up to identify.

Damn this sounds like one of those logic puzzles Kirk would use to destroy the alien computer menacing the crew.

Can't these idiots even get their lies straight. Makes you wonder how they actually got this DNA of theirs they're going to use to identify them them with. But I thought they had already been identified. Ouch my brain hurts! :)

And now CNN is reporting two soldiers killed in Iraq. Guess killing the two "sons" of Saddam isn't having the effect this stupid administration hoped.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:09 AM
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10. reminds me of the 9-11 'hijackers' , they were I.D.d the next day
too convenient
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:12 AM
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11. DNA Tests
DNA identification requires a point of comparison, obviously. Are we expected to believe that the US government has the Hussein's DNA information on file? Hmmm.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:27 AM
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16. A US GEneral was just on TV assuring us that they COULD be identified
US General said the bodies were NOT destroyed and they can easily be identified visually. If they're now mutilated it's because this is another one of Rove's wag the dog tricks and they're not the real deal.


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Cujo Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:54 AM
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17. You're witnessing the new Bush reality
The fabric of time and space can shift and change automatically to fit the truth as bush wants it. The Bodies are visually recognizable, oh wait a minute no they're not, we need dna samples, but were not going to tell you where we got the dna samples (never mind they could get it from a couple hospitals that operated on Uday in the time after his assisination attempt). Because we say its true it makes it true, even if Uday and Qusay left Iraq a long time ago, its still them. So you see Everything in Iraq is going swimmingly. Chemical Ali is dead, Usama is Dead, Saddam is dead (despite evidence to the contrary). So face facts understand they can alter reality merely by insisting something is true and stop asking so damn many questions...before You're sent to Guantonamo BAy!!!!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:48 AM
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12. Were they "identified" by the same informant
who got $30 Million for this double murder?

That is now the Bush* pricetag for controlling the news cycle.

$30 Million.

:puke:
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:03 AM
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14. Yesterday......
when all this was unfolding I was in my car listening to NPR and they said the same thing. That the bodies were too traumatized to ID them from merely eye-balling them. Then, a couple hours later, positive ID was being touted. I do not trust this administration. I think they are capable of doing ANYTHING.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 08:01 AM
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19. But, but, it's got to be them! Look, here are their...
But, but, it's got to be them! Look, here are their drivers'
licenses, and their passports, and their Social Security Cards, err...

Why do they have Social Secirity cards?

And why do the both say "Donald R. DeCicco"?

Uhh, we'll get back to you on this later...

Atlant
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:58 AM
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18. NPR-to be flown out of the country (Pentagon won't say why or where))
Look maybe I have succumbed to the "Saddam's Sons are dead" that was mentioned an odd number of times last night (BBC/FOX/ABC) in stories that where oddly enough about "Saddam's sons being dead" but I guess it has been planted in my head no matter how much I should know to not believe anything the White House clowns put out there.

Even if it isn't them I doubt we will ever find out.
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Sushi_lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 08:01 AM
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20. Hiding in a palace?
I share your skepticism. I don't believe it for a second.

I think the "reported deaths" were part of the deal the Pentagon cut with Saddam. They are safe in Russia now.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 01:52 PM
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22. kick

TYY :kick:
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 02:02 PM
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23. Well FAUX sez...
.. Tarik(sp) Aziz positively identified them. This news got Linda Vester all excited on her stupid-assed Riki Lake knockoff show today. I thought she was gonna have the big O right there on national television!

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