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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:15 PM
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Bush's Biggest Lie
Even before we knew the full extent to which Bush* was lying about Iraq's WMDs, we knew that the adminstration was telling outrageous lies about how it had done everything it could to avoid a war. Anyone paying any attention at all could see that this claim was 180 degrees away from reality: the adminstration was clearly doing everything it could to make the war unavoidable. Most of the people who took to the streets on February 15th to protest the war were not pacifists; they simply weren't buying the lies about how an invasion of Iraq was part of any war on terror, and they could not understand why war was the only way to deal with Iraq. Sane and moral men will always try to avoid war, but it was clear that Bush* was hell-bent on war.

Then again, in his March TV address announcing that the invasion was imminent, Bush* insisted:

"Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war..."

And now we know that not only did Bush press relentlessly for war, he actively avoided Iraq's offer for a settlement that would have included large numbers of weapons inspectors, UN-supervised elections within 2 years, concessions to US oil companies, and cooperation in the war on terror including turning over a jailed terrorist linked to the 1993 WTC bombing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml

We have a war criminal for a president, and the best the media can do is fret over whether or not it will hurt his re-election chances.

I didn't think I could possibly be more pissed than I already was, but this is absolutely outrageous. Why aren't we marching on the White House with torches and pitchforks?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:17 PM
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1. Great Post!
Thanks.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:18 PM
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2. bush's biggest lie? How can you confine it to one?
What HASN'T he lied about?

Oh yeah. Stains on a blue dress.
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livinontheedge Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:22 PM
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3. Does anyone know the credibility of the Iraqi who made the offer?
I still haven't heard which Iraqi made the offer. It makes a big difference if it was Tariq Azziz vs. some low level Iraqi. Or am I wrong about that? Maybe that is why the media isn't jumping on this. Could it be that the Iraqi offer was from someone with no authority? I don't know. Does anyone know who made the offer?
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:42 PM
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8. I believe (if I remember correctly) it was a leader from Lebannon
who is experienced in dealing with different groups of people (i.e religious differences, cultural differences, etc). Don't quote me on it but I don't think it was an Iraqi.
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KuroKensaki Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:25 PM
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10. Unsure
I think Richard Perle thought he was credible enough to bring it to Washington. He was not an Iraqi, but supposedly he had Hussein's go-ahead.

I try not to put -all- my faith in this story, because Hannity pulled the same deal with 'Clinton could have captured Osama bin Laden but he didn't', which is a falsehood brought forth by the non-credible single-person third party that offered bin Laden to Clinton. That guy works for Faux now, by the way. It's in Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

However, Clinton tried everything he could to follow up on the Osama offer, unbelievable as it was. Bush just dismissed this offer outright.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:26 PM
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11. "senior Iraqi officials"
The Lebanese-American businessman, whose name is Haje, says that the offer was made by the chief of the Iraqi Intelligence Service and other "senior officials".
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:23 PM
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4. Yes, I agree. I think it's a big story that Iraq tried
so hard to avoid war but Bush was headstrong set for it. I remember my stupid senator, Norm Coleman, just before the invasion saying that he had met with Bush (he's always bragging - that's his main occupation) and he said, "Bush is the last person on earth who wants a war with Iraq." I vomitted, as usual when Coleman speaks. But this time it really was too much. Bush? The last person? What about me, I thought; I certainly want war less than Bush. I bet there's even a few other people too.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:27 PM
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5. I agree
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 03:31 PM by RobertSeattle
To me, it's quite obvious Bush either decided to go to war against Iraq in early 2002. Since Rove knew the American people would not to war with the facts at hand, they had to propogandize everything to fool the American people into supporting the war that had already been decided upon.

Corn's book had this footnote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14932-2002Oct11?language=printer (5th paragraph)

"But now his task is not to educate or persuade us. It is to defeat Saddam Hussein. And that will require the president, at times, to mislead rather than to clarify, to deceive rather than to explain. "

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:27 PM
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6. Good post !
And they will continue to lie so long as they are permitted to get away with it...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:37 PM
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7. "Why aren't we marching on the WH with torches and pitchforks?"
If we had done that during the recount and before the Supremes sELECTed Bush*, we probably wouldn't be in this mess, now.
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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 03:42 PM
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9. D. K.
mentioned this on NPR this afternoon. That a 3rd party had tried to push thru a request from Saddam to do what ever it would take to avoid war. He also slapped down a caller who supported * and tried to tie Iraq to 9-11. She made the dumbest statement I have ever heard. That we have to be committed with blood and treasure. Maybe she could commit the blood of her son or daughter.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:28 PM
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12. This is getting legs.
MSNBC is discussing it right now.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 04:41 PM
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13. Boom n/t
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