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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:11 PM
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Kerry Hits Ban on Abortion Procedure
MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Just hours after President Bush signed a law banning what critics of the procedure call "partial-birth abortion," Senator John F. Kerry declared last night "there is no such thing as a partial birth," as he and the other Democratic presidential contenders sought the political support of women voters.

The Massachusetts Democrat, speaking first among the six candidates at a Planned Parenthood forum on women's issues, said: "It is a late-term abortion. They have done a very effective job of giving people a sense of fear about it. It's part of their assault on the rights of women in America. . . . There's nothing partial about their effort to undo Roe v. Wade."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/06/kerry_hits_ban_on_abortion_procedure/

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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:19 PM
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1. And he didn't even bother to cast his vote against it....
...with all due respect, of course.

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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:23 PM
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2. Actually
the only two senators not present for that vote were John Edwards and Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:27 PM
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3. Are You Suggesting That
sfecap doesn't know that of which he speaks?
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:39 PM
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9. Actually:
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban-Passage



Bill Number: S 3
Issue: Abortion
Date: 03/12/2003
Sponsor: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA


Roll Call Number: 0051
Bill passed
Full Member List


Senator John Forbes Kerry did not vote, and their position was unknown.

Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion

S 3 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003

Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion. Those who performed this procedure, would then face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable. This bill would make the exception for cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger.

(Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA)
Passed 64-33: R 48-3; D 16-29:I 0-1 on 03/12/2003

Bill Status: As of 10/27/2003
Bill Number: S3 - 108th Congress (2003-2004)
House Passage Vote: 6/4/2003-Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 3/13/2003-Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 10/2/2003- Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 10/21/2003- Outcome: Passed

http://vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3241&can_id=S0421103
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:49 PM
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11. How Selective
'Partial-Birth' Abortion Ban - Adoption

Bill Number: S 3
Issue: Abortion
Date: 10/21/2003
Sponsor: Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA


Roll Call Number: 402
Conference Report Adopted
Full Member List


Senator John Forbes Kerry voted NO.

Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion.

S 3 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003

Vote to pass a bill banning a medical procedure, which is commonly known as, "partial-birth" abortion. The procedure would be allowed only in cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger. Those who performed this procedure, would face fines and up to two years in prison, the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable.

(Bill sponsored by Santorum, R-PA)
Conference Report Adopted 64-34: R 47-3; D 17-30; I 0-1 on 10/21/2003

Bill Status: As of 10/27/2003
Bill Number: S 3 108th Congress (2003-2004)
House Passage Vote: 6/4/2003-Outcome: Passed
Senate Passage Vote: 3/13/2003-Outcome: Passed
House Conference Report Vote: 10/2/2003- Outcome: Passed
Senate Conference Report Vote: 10/21/2003- Outcome: Passed

For further status information, call the Voter's Research Hotline at 1-888-VOTE-SMART (1-888-868-3762)





http://vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3332&can_id=S0421103
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:53 PM
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12. You are looking at the Conference Report...
The actual passage vote was the one I cited. It was signed into law.

The original vote had Biden, Kerry and Edwards as not voting.

There is no dispute that John Kerry is a staunch defender of womens right. Not one bit of an argument there.

I just wish thse guys would at least show for the vote, even if I really won't change the outcome. It's the symbology...
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:58 PM
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14. I think his "no" vote on the conference report is just as important
as it would have been for the passage vote. And, unfortunately, when you are running for president you have to make some tough decisions. Kerry doesn't have the liberty of being unemployed. :-)

If he was there for every vote he wouldn't have time to campaign, but I'm sure that'd be okay with you.... :-)
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 07:27 PM
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15. Yes, and I do owe an apology...
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 07:28 PM by sfecap
You and Funk are correct. The vote I cited was the original Bill. The one you cited was the final (and important, IMO...) vote. Sorry.

And thanks for the Capwiz link. I had forgotten about Capwiz. Great resource.

I will NEVER criticize JK about his abortion stance. He is very right on the issue and always has been. :-)

Hey, I like when Kerry campaigns! He drives my guy's numbers up! :-)




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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:27 PM
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4. And here's a handy little map
of all the votes cast so this misconception about Kerry won't happen again.

http://www.capwiz.com/now/issues/votes/?votenum=402&chamber=S&congress=1081&alertid=3890181
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:28 PM
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5. Why Would Someone Deliberately Distort The Record?
I may not like Dean much, but I don't lie about him. The truth is plenty.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:29 PM
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6. I ask that question everday
Dr. Funk :-)

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:38 PM
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7. Kerry sat out the last PBA vote....


but he did vote no on this one.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:38 PM
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8. deliberately distort?
Maybe, but I have a feeling that sfecap feels pretty silly right now.

ALWAYS DO YOUR RESEARCH!
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:48 PM
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10. Nope...here's the roll call.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00051

Kerry is shown as not voting.

He did however vote NO w/r/t the conference report.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 06:54 PM
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13. Bookmarking!
LOL!
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