OK, what's the deal with all of the negative flame-bait threads?

First theres the Nuke Japan poll/thread. Uh, let me be quick to debunk your delusions about WWII and the Japanese. The Japanese were some sick & ruthless maniacs back in those days. Sworn to protect their empire and emperor, the Japanese were responsible for such warm and fuzzy events like Pearl Harbor (Thousands of Americans die in sneak attack), Rape of Nanking (Tens of thousands of Chinese men, women, and children raped/mutilated/murdered), the Bataan Death March (Once again, thousands upon thousands of death including US POWS), Kamikazee pilots, and finally the purposeful training of children as young as 6-8 to defend the Japanese mainland from allied invasion. As for this "The Japanese wanted to surrender" BULLSHIT, sure they did, on their own conditional terms where the emperor remained on the throan, and the Japanese military could remain in place. NOT! I say nuking them not only saved tens of thousands of US lives, but also saved an even more enormous casualty rate among Japanese civilians. If we would have had to invade Japan, that entire nation would have been completely leveled to the ground. Not just two cities.

Second, the "YEY! Let's bash Clinton like a pack of rabid gerbils on acid!" thread. Uhhhh, read the friggin quote. He specifically says, "Well, President's make mistakes, lets move on. It's a slap in the face to every right-wing columnist who bashed him for 8 years. It actually shows that he is far more capable of acting civilly than any of those hacks have ever been. It reforms his image, and ours (Dems) as well. When the Republicans are quoting Bill Clinton to defend themselves, you know they're in trouble."

Third, the "What was the worst thing the US ever did?" poll/thread. WTF is wrong with you people? We've done FAR more good than bad and focusing on that crap is even more BULLSHIT than the Japanese BULLSHIT. You want to know what the newest "Greatest moment" in our history is going to be? When Dems vote/impeach/force to resign Bush out of office, despite the help * received from an increasingly disruptive super way over to the left "we hate America!" left.

bully.

Flames are good in a Democracy... What...would ya rather us sit on our hands...

PS: At leastr I didn't flame you for stealing my sig line...;-)

I didn't realize that!

On the issue of flame wars: personally, I'm for healthy debate. When it degenerates into name-calling, however, I think it becomes counterproductive.

Why don't the damn Democrats shut the hell up and throw in their lot with the Republicans? Who the hell do they think they are?

we should nuke Iraq AND Iran, after all , after all , it was GOOD for the Japanese.

Whatever you say!

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Don't tell me you're another one of these "there's no difference between Dems and 'Pukes" people. Ugh.

When they stand up and fight as Democrats and for the country, there is a difference. When they are complicit with Right-wing crimes and seek to minimize the damage as a "mistake" of little substance or consequence, they betray their own country to cover their own backside. It is time for them to pack their bags--because they are obstructing justice and the Democrat's advantage to expose the conspiracy of Republican lies.

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Go Bucks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=66595&mesg_id=66595&page=
Naaah

....too!!

BTW, I think Clinton has more class in his little toenail than rethugs have in their whole bodies. OMG, give me the days when all we had to worry about was a booming economy and sex in the WH Oval Office.

there was plenty to worry about in the 1990's. We Americans were simply not informed by our pathetic news organizations.
The bombing of the WTC in 1993, Saudi bombing in 95, African embassies in 98, The USS Cole, the rise of the Taliban, the US retaliation in Sudan, Afghanistan and Iraq, Kashmir a possible nuclear flashpoint, the Congo with millions dead, Rwanda, Burundi, Asian economic collapse and LTC near-collapse in 1998, Argentina, NAFTA, GATT...
Our news media reported only two topics for years - Clintons sex life and the $800/share price of ripoff.com.
The media abdicated their responsibility to inform the public in favor of the ratings and profits that came with covering Lewinsky non-stop.

just like we american civilians deserve to get the crapped bombed out of us because of the Bush regime... :thumbsdown:

truly an idiotic post if i ever saw one. nothing personal.

I'm proud of my country and proud to be a progressive democrat. I'm also ashamed of the evils this country has wrought, and they need to be remembered if we are to avoid the same things in the future. I started the polls out of exasperation with democrats who express the same incredible ignorance you do. I certainly feel no need to be lectured about the subject of Hiroshima by you or anyone else, as I've spent enough time there, and with the material that I feel comfortable calling a crime a crime. If you and some other dems don't like it, don't look at the threads, just put in your vote of support for Truman's nasty crime, and be done with it. To my relief, there were quite a few replies in support of my position, and the votes reflect that as well. It's not about bashing America, it's about being real about our history so that we can set a more moral course in the future.

There is another party whose members will never express misgivings about actions committed in the name of this country's white citizens, or its corporations. I hope you won't join it, because we need you here, but there are a hell of a lot of democrats who think like I do, so deal with it.

I have always had an ambivalent feeling about dropping the atomic bomb on Nagasaki. True it meant that fewer people, at least on OUR side, would die, but I think that for us to have developed such an distructive weapon of war, caused us to sink to the lowest level of depravity. I have always hated war. All war seems to be about is killing. Those who kill the most, wins. So who drops the bomb first, wins. But it also means that civilization has not advance, but rather returned to it most primitive beginnings. It is very hard for me to justify war.

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peace

You do a disservice to those DUers that post on Democraticunderground when you write"...increasingly disruptive super way over to the left'We hate America' left.
I do not believe that any DUer "hates America". They hate the present Government, but they do not hate America....no matter how far to the left they may be. Nor do I believe that their loathing of the present government could be construed as "helping Bush". You have your wires crossed.

consider those that don't genuflect at the mention of st. william of clinton to be 'republicans' or those that critisize the dems. for failing to act as an opposition party 'greens'.

blaming other for ones' own shortcomings is a classic denial mechanism.

the absolute WORST thing we can do now is allow the Reich Wingers to reduce us to their level. 'Hate and anger' are a form of fear. Conservative mentality is a psychology of fear. a much more powerful and dangerous motivation than any other emotion. i am redundant about Apriori Logic... this is also called 'invencable ignorance', the best metaphore i can come up with is the movie the 'BLOB'. the Blob was a formless horror that consumed all that touched it and they became part of it to also consume others. i first ran into this theory as a Juvenile parole officer trying to research the "common denomator" i observed in juvenile deliquents, the logical format they used as a cultural subset...which was obviously painfully self destructive, but their personal behavior was blamed on the actions and attitudes of others. Apriori logic is circular in nature, what ever is introduced into the mind comes to the same conclusion, like scapegoating, Jews ,gays, liberals, treehuggers...along with the bellligerant attitude that anything associated with them is tainted and evil too. WE MUST BE EVER VILLIGENT NOT TO BECOME OUR ENEMIES TRYING TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST THEM, WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO MAKE THEM OUR FRIENDS...WE DONT NEED ANYMORE ENEMIES. but the Conservatives keep mass producing them... because anyone who disagrees with them is a DANGEROUS EVIL enemy. their back is up against the wall now, they will be even more unpredictable now.

actually there is some debate about the Japanese being really close to giving up because the Russians were planning to invade to grab a pacific seaport harbor. the Russians were pretty ruthless in their methods and they had a longstanding grudge against the Japanese, who figured they were about to get even. i feel that the Japanese were finished, a blockade would have been the easiest thing to do. What really happened was the military wanted some statistics on what their new Terror Weapon would do... and what good is a terror weapon without without everyone knowing what it could do. the two bombs were made of different materials, uranium makes plutoniun and a lot of electrical power to sell too, us older people can remember the Walt Disney propaganda toons, they needed some compare and contrast stats to prove new theories. the plan was to create a national security hoax to justify the production of Plutonium at taxpayers expense. stockpile and warehouse the stuff in the form of bombs to terrorize others to do our our will, use the Russians as an excuse to build an empire. then when the time is right and oil is getting Really expensive because we wasted it all making less than 1% of us richer than all the rest of the world population. they would find an excuse to sell the plutonium back to us at a serious profit. and make a bundle building nuclear power plants and gouging us again to become even richer. Bush canceled the alternaive energy research in this country almost before he sat down behind his desk for the first time.

PART OF THE REASON THAT REPUBS GET AWAY WITH THEIR SHIT IS THE APPALLING IGNORANCE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN HISTORY. APPARENTLY IT BOTHERS YOU THAT FOLKS AROUND HERE ARE EDUCATED.
HISTORY, READ IT AND WEEP!

I was six years old when Pearl Harbor was attack. I never heard of the interment camps in California until I was in my 40's. That fact never penetrated into the American Heartland where I lived. Nor was in taught in schools. We need so much to read history to know what really happened. America for all its beauty hides many ugly facts.
I don't really think that the repugs and freeper ever read history. That is why so much of what George W. Bush does in revised History repeating itself.

By knocking down the world trade center with exacto knives, it prevented the necessity of having hundreds of thousands of Muslim troops invade New York and tearing down the WTC by traditional demolition means. Therefore the three thousand killed on September 11th is a lot less then the tens of thousands of brave muslim troops who would have had to give there lives to win the war in the face of millions of maniacal, fanatical, kamikaze american guerilla fighters.

to be misinformed, a bit, about the facts at least the wwII bit... i stoped after that because, you know, not enough hours in the day and all but i did want to reply to your original question though ;-)

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