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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:34 AM
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Can we cut the "Hussein's kids" stuff?
Hey, this is the first post I started.

I've seen a few threads were posters have said things like "If they were your kids, what would you do?" and "Now, we are killing the children of our enemies" and similiar ideas. This is not overwhelming but I've seen enough of it to be bothered.

Let's get one thing straight Uday and Qusay were not innocent bystanders. There were #2a and #2b in the regime, controlled the media, controlled a portion of the military, controlled the sports teams, were rich, were powerful and were set to have the blood feud to end all blood feuds when Saddam passed the torch. From all accounts, both were likely more brutal than their father and had just as much blood on their hands as him. In fact, Uday appeared to be a special brand of sociopath, if Iraqi athletes are to be believed.

So, let's stop equating this with whacking the Bush twins and other such nonsense.

I repeat what I said earlier. Their deaths do not justify the war or dismiss the chaos of the aftermath. But, as far as I am concerned, the planet is better off without them.
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:35 AM
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1. Absofuckinglutely.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:36 AM
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2. and who else do you think the planet is better off without?
.
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 12:00 PM
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18. Let's see...
Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Newt, Lott, Delay, Saddam, Charles Taylor, Michael Issa, John Rowland, Kim Jong Il, Slobodan Milosovic, Bernie Ebbers, Ken Lay... That's a good start. Mind you, I am not advocating violence, nor am I wishing ill to befall them, just people whom I think the planet would be better off without.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:37 AM
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3. Actually, there is little evidence anywhere to support your statement...
even though those are commonly held beliefs.

The information you concur with comes from the bush regime, which doesn't have a record of credibility and reliability.

There is no concuring information, or even accomodating actions from the iraqi people on these 'opinions' about the hussein family either.

Just a lot of rumors and hearsay with no reliable or collaborating sources.
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 11:54 AM
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16. Actually, that jibes with the History Channel's
account of what their lives were like. The report about the athletes was confirmed by both the IOC and the USOC.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:37 AM
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4. agreed
Edited on Wed Jul-23-03 10:40 AM by SheepyMcSheepster
agree with first post that is.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:39 AM
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5. Maybe
Maybe they think Uday and Qusay would make nice houseguests.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:41 AM
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6. I agree..They were not "kids"
Edited on Wed Jul-23-03 10:41 AM by SoCalDem
They were grown men who, even though they were dependent, were in NO WAY kids..

Sadaam may have been their sperm donor, but I never saw him as a particularly loving Daddy..

They were nasty thugs whose passing will only make the world a better place.. The WAY they were killed and the REASON for their deaths are the only troubling things for me..

A 6 hour "fight" , complete with helicopters and 200 men vs a cripple, a bodyguard, a 14 yr old and the other brother is what stirkes me as completely ODD to say the least..

The person who stood to collect the $30Million probably is happy that they are dead, so he can collect his money and retire to the Riviera, but for our military to not capture them is ridiculous..

They could have had the services cut to the house, and just surround it and wait them out.. They did not WANT them alive..

Dead men tell no tales..:)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:43 AM
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9. That's a possibility
I'm not going to get into that discussion, because I don't know enough about the situation on the ground. But there may have been other options.

But I've seen some odd sympathy for the brothers here, and that disturbed me.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 11:54 AM
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17. Six hour fire fight? Four tough dudes!
Orders from on high!

1. Do not take these people alive.

2. Do not use munitions that will destroy or burn the bodies beyound recognition.

3. Do not take these people alive.


I believe, I believe sombody is bullshiting me.

180
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:43 AM
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7. let's get one thing straight....
regardless of these two may or may not have done , they were MURDERED by the bushies. MURDERED.

So then, in your opinion it is OK for the president of the United States to decide who the planet is better off without?
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thom1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 12:02 PM
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19. and lets not forget that they
were murderers them selves... Kinda karmic, eh?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:43 AM
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8. Le'me see: we had NO REASON to attack Iraq, Saddam
as it turns out, there are no WMD, no threat to US - the entire war is an international crime. In this context : SADDAM IS AN INNOCENT BYSTANDER along with the thousands of Itaquis we murdered. So are his sons. Whatever crimes they committed - it's for the Itaqis to deal with that - we HAD NO JURISDICTION TO EXECUTE THEM!
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Spoon Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:59 AM
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14. Execute? They were firing back!
I suppose we could have risked even more of our soldier's lives just to capture these pukes, but that would have been very dumb.
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bunnyhop Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:44 AM
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10. BS - You don't know anything about these two guys
The GOP controlled media calls them a couple of psychopaths and you just take their word on it. The dems should remind america that bush and the GOP and the media lied about the iraq uranium plans and therefore we should never trust them on anything ever again.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:51 AM
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12. And you do?
C'mon. I've heard many foreign news sources talk of their evil exploits, too. These guys weren't angels.

Now, should they have been assassinated? Probably not. Will I shed a tear for them? Definitely not.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:52 AM
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13. Come on . . .
Unless Amnesty International is part of the Bush-controlled media, what I say is true. I've known about these fuckers for years.

Let's not shed any crocodile tears.
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meatloaf Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 10:48 AM
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11. You seem to be missing our point.
While few, if any, of us will mourn their passing. We believe it sets a dangerous precedent to illegally attack countries and kill off the deposed leaders family members, no matter what type of s.o.b's they might have been.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 11:31 AM
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15. they weren't killed BECAUSE they were family members
they were killed because they were top deputies.

It would have been better to capture them, of course, but competence hasn't been the strong suit of the people running this war from the get-go.

Personally, I didn't and don't support the preventative invasion and occupation of a country that is not an imminent threat to the United States. I agree with you that that is a dangerous precedent. But the "family members" part is irrelevant.

There are plenty of dead Iraqis to mourn. These two aren't even on my list.


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ilpostino Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 12:03 PM
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20. Coulter's wet dreams
Those who try to elicit sympathy and/or understanding for the Hussein family of thugs perfectly fit the caricature of the Left that Ann Coulter successfully sells to a frighteningly large part of the country. Nice work, kids.
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