"Green" Party's recent meeting

Apparently they are hell bent on running a candidate, no matter what the Democrats do. And Howard Dean is too conseravtive for these people!! My God, is there any electable candidate whom they don't consider to be too conservative? Their beef with Howard Dean? He did not push for gay civil unions, he only signed the bill after the Vermont Supreme Court made him do it. Never mind that he endured a major backlash in the state over the issue, and almost lost his job over the issue, while many other politicians would have railed agianst "judicial activism". Dean has also been unapologetic about his support for civil unions, while many other politicians, including many Democrats, would rather bury the issue. Then the "Greens" also bitched about Vermont not having 100% universal health care. Never mind that Vermont has some of the lowest percentages of uninsured in the nation, and even lower among children. Other "Greens" whine about his pro-gun record (the South and border states: who needs 'em!) and complain that his anti-Iraq war stance was not vociferous enough. Never mind that he opposed the war even when 75% of the American people supported it, including many Democrats. Are these people interested in electing a president who can actually change things or forever being relagted to the sidelines to bitch and complain as Republicans get elected over and over again because of their shennanigans? These people are so tone deaf when it comes to politics it is unbelievable. This caller on Bernie Ward's show last night refused to admit that Al Gore would have carried Florida without Nader on the ballot. Granted, there are many Democrats from the "me too" faction, and we are all right to be annoyed by them, but Howard Dean is not even close to being in that category.

Distinctions are not as great between Greens and Dems as they are between Republicans (especially Neos) and Dems. But to draw a vote they have to show some distinctions and they do believe in their stands.

Pro-death penalty. Pro-gun. Deficit hawk. He ain't no lefty, by any means. It's no wonder the Greens are squawking about him. Personally, I think they should concentrate on the best way to get rid of the Bush regime: VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN '04!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/941276.asp
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 Medea Benjamin, the San Francisco anti-war agitator who was the Greens’ Senate candidate in California in 2000, said, “I’m not even sure we should run” a presidential candidate next year. “It’s a time of great dilemmas when defeating Bush is the top priority. We have to figure out how to grow and build our party and defeat Bush at the same time.”
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The Libertarian party will run a candidate. The Natural Law party will run a candidate. The Constitution party will run a candidate. The Socialist Workers party will run a candidate. The Prohibition Party will run a candidate. The Workers World party will run a candidate. The Reform party may even run a candidate. What makes the Green party any different than any of these parties?

...nothing.

People here (Exluding myself, thankfully) have deluded themselves into thinking Ralph Nader and the Green party is an incarnation of Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin all rolled into one.

I say fuck, if the Dem party doesn't have anything to offer in 2004, I'll proudly cast my vote for a Green. Hopefully it won't come to that because I like a lot of the Dem candidates, though.

-C

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They don't have a clue on how to address and secure their issues. You don't do it by being narcocistic. You go for the closes ticket, unite and fight as a united front and work your way up. So they must not really care about the issues they proclaim to support...

My question is who has anything to gain from dividing the people? These fractional parties are selfish and destructive. Repigs win....

The Greens are people who believe in Democratic ideals in action, not just in rhetoric. How many times can we vote Dem and watch things just keep getting worse before waking up?

Oh, I know...this time it will be different. The only Dem I trust even moderately is Kucinich. I would vote Kucinich over Nader.

1. Dean is, believe it or not, a pretty average pragmatic politician.
2. You never figured out that the Greens are merely a debating society before???