Need to Vent! Idiots claim Bill Clinton responsible for 9/11

Okay, I work w/ freepers who make this claim all the time. But I just went to another message board which is 50/50 liberal & conservative. I read a post where Reagan is a saint & Clinton is responsible for 9/11, his pardons,he's a murderer, a rapists,etc.

Normally I woulnd't let this BS bother me, but it seems like I'm hearing this lie alot lately & its just plain wrong! The people of this country are ungrateful little brats! Clinton did SO MUCH good,but they MUST hate him at all costs! I'm not saying he's perfect,but atleast when he was in charge I felt safe & proud of the man representing MY country! I know I'll never change these peoples minds, but I just need to vent! (thats why I live here at DU!)

...the Age of Sacred Terror (which The Clinton Wars cites).

To something with the word "alledged" or "claims" in it.

I know you're not claiming Clinton had anything to do with it, but that's not what your headline infers.

Your right! Thanks!

They can't defend or praise Bush so they resort to insulting Clinton. It actually says more about their attitude toward Bush than it does about what they think of Clinton. Anyway, that's my take on it.

gave this to me the other day. Make as many copies as you need and give them to your delusional co-workers. :7 Another point you may wish to make...The 1993 WTC bombing happened soon after Clinton was in office and HE never blamed it on Daddy Bush. They need to "own" their own blame.

Tried to get Universal Health Care
National Health Care Costs rising at 10% per annum. Cut to 3%
Deficit Reduction Package
Crime Bill
100,000 cops on street—crime down down down
Welfare Reform-- Mend do not end. GOP helped bit time
80% increase in child welfare payments
Job Growth-Record 236,000 per month. (Reagan/Bush 167,000)
Largest percentage of Americans working in history
Largest Home Ownership in history
Record number of small business formations
Tax Cut for 15 million working families
Family and Medical Leave Act
Defense Reinvest and Conversion—Bush enjoying weapons created by Clinton
Direct loan programs for students
Guts to put promises in a book "Putting People First"-58 promises in book. Took action on 56 in first two years.
Second best record in history for getting legislation through Congress in first to years. LBJ number one.
Reinvented Government—cut payroll
Fewest number of civilians on federal payroll in 36 years
Attacked cop killing nasty rifle association.
Attacked the cancer inducing tobacco industry
Promoted a global effort to ban abusive forms of child labor
Loan 12.8 Billion to Mexico. Made 800 Million profit. Kept Mexico afloat.
Wash. Post kept list of campaign promises. 162. Took action on 96% in first two years.
Took on prejudice toward other Americans in military
Took on his own Southern Baptist Church
Hard smart work in Middle East and Bosnia-Kosovo
Honored with all of the following:
Dove of Peace Award
Rabin-Peres Peace Award
Gandhi Peace Award
Order of Good Hope Award
Nominated for Nobel Peace Award
Northern Ireland Peace Agreement
Lifeaholics of America Award for Quarter Century "Working for a Life Not Just A Living".
First President to visit Northern Ireland
Cleanup of Toxic sites. Record
Increasing weekly earnings
Shoo Shoo Saddam get away from Kuwait
Stopping Haitians from drowning enroute to freedom
First to visit South Africa
First to make a determined effort to help the African continent come together and grow together
Taxing top 1.2% of very wealthy to get Zoom Zoom Boom economy
Stopping Republicans in the House from raiding Medicare of 181 Billion
Stopping Republicans raid on Medicaid
Stopping Republicans raid on education
Stopping Republicans attack on environment
Largest increase in Education funding since GI Bill
Increased funding for Head Start
Nafta.. A success until the Peso went south
Submitting 8 budgets close to rate of inflation
Brady Bill
Gaat
Assault Weapons Ban
Telling Japan "You take our auto parts or we will apply tariffs on you
California Desert Protection
Forest Management Plan for Northwest
Restoration of Florida Everglades
Preservation of land in Utah
Major increase in funding for homeless
Motor Voter Act
Lobbying Reform Effort. Handshake with Newt who reneged
Pressure to get Campaign Finance Reform.
National Export Strategy. Unbelievable success.
Over 250 Trade pacts
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Pact
Summit of Americas
Super 301
Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.
Bottom Up Review of Military
Agreement with Cuba to stop flow of immigrants to USA.
Ameri-Corps
Reduced Nuclear Threat Around the World
Community Banking Act
FEMA used as an active participant and a leader in disaster relief
Tax on well off social security beneficiaries
100,000 new teachers effort
5,000 new classroom effort
50% of classes thru K-12 on internet
Fourth Graders improvement on world tests
Lifetime Learning Opportunity Program
Controls on Spending and Borrowing
Pension Protection Act of 1994
Record high consumer confidence
Very, very, very low Misery Index
National Agenda on Racial Prejudices
First to get African-American unemployment under 10%
Balanced Budget
Record Corporate profits
Record Bank profits
Record Savings and Loan profits
Never whining despite non-sop smears and attacks
Not having a Mean Bone in his body per Historian David Maraniss
Not knowing how to hate
Classing others as "opponents" not "enemies"
Inviting your attackers to the White House functions
Inviting your defeated opponent Bob Dole to visit troops at Christmas
A national attack on hate crimes
Fighting to protect "legal" immigrants from Republicans in the House.
Fighting hard for Fast Track legislation
Kennedy and Kassenbaum Portability of Insurance
Lowest interest rates in 30 years
Allowing millions of homeowners to refinance home loans at lower (much) rates
Lowest unemployment in 25 years
Lowest inflation in 25 years
Lowest welfare rolls in 27 years
Lowest crime Rates in 25 years
First balanced budget sent to Congress in 29 years
Protecting worker pensions (repeat?)
Opposed ban on "Late Term Abortions"
A stock market which passed a 1,000 mark six times
Greatest growth in federal revenues in history
Played Saxophone and Smoked Peace Pipe, instead of beating War Drums like____.
One of History's all time workers for Peace
President in a year when Fortune Magazine classified it as "Greatest Economy in the History of the world"
Popularity jump in the midst of a scandal.
President with highest peacetime popularity in Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe.
Highest popularity of any president at end of fifth year in office
One of the most highly regarded First Lady in History.
One of the most highly regarded Vice-President in History

The capture and successful prosecution of members of the 1993 WTC bombing. Something that the current Administration CANNOT claim about the 9-11-2001 WTC attacks! As far as I know, Osama is still running around, and those that are detained in Cuba, are pretty well exonerated from the WTC fiasco. The one individual that is being held, charged with the attacks, Moussaui, seems to be getting a free ride from the gov't. Pretty damn pathetic for the "Sheriff of the Free World".

:nopity: for bushco!

OOPS! let's not forget that homegrown terrorists got caught too, or did we forget about the Oklahoma City bombing?

Another genocidal maniac, Slobodan Milosevic, is now cooling his heels in the Hague.

Where's Saddam? Where's Osama?

a little sniveling worm from the National Review wrote a book blaming Clinton for it. He's everywhere all over TV, the whores love him almost as much as they love Zell Miller.

Just ask your friends to list all actions Bush took, and speeches Bush made, from his inauguration through Sept. 11.

Then ask them why Bush has bent over backward to thwart any investigations into it, and why no one was fired.

it wasn't Clinton, it was Clinton's penis!

Have a conservative friend, (don't know why), and in the middle of our discussion, he brought up Clinton's complete responsibility for 9/11. I fired back with the plan that the Clinton administration had for taking out Al Quaeda, and he replied "where are you getting this information? I never heard about this!"
I simply replied, "well of course you wouldn't hear about this: you get all your information from talk radio and Fox News!"
He had no reply.
When I get the articles that back up my statements, my friend is gonna be eating his own shoes.

I sometimes think alot of poeple know how much I look up to Clinton & they these kinds of things to iritate me.I know alot of people who like Bush,but I never go out of my way to put him down or anything. I think they know Clinton is more respected worldwide & is a smarter man.They need to discredit him as much as possible.IMO, the facts don't lie.The world loves Clinton.

back up your statements with articles, they dismiss it.
i got into this argument with someone once and when I SHOWED the person evidence, he just dimissed it as liberal propaganda.
so i asked him to go out and PROVE none of it was fact. he was unable to do so, but according to him its still not true, just well, because it CAN"T be.

I have serious doubts he would believe anything that pointed out the plans Clinton had for taking out Al Quaeda and Osama *Now* Bin *Forgotten*. These people will never believe that Bush* chose to do nothing with regards to the safety of us all. They don't want to believe that. Much easier to blame someone they already hate and screw that facts even if the facts show that they are blaming the wrong administration. If your friend were truly interested in learning the truth about Clinton's plans with regards to terrorism, you would think that he would try to learn as much as he could on the subject on his own. When pigs fly, of course.

and get the facts OUT.

911 was Clintons fault will be the MANTRA of the all the "unofficial" (wink wink) rethug propaganda spew units (fax and chicken wing radio) during the campaign year, and (as was pointed out) they can't admit bushs failings , so blame Clinton.

thanks for the list incog.

like freepers do?

GOP mindset = everything is Clinton's fault, even if it happened on Bush's watch.

period.

Bush's primary responsibility in his office is to protect us. He failed. He was warned about Al Qaeda, and chose to concentrate on tax cuts for his campaign donors and his golf game instead.

Here's an analogy: you move into a new house. One night, someone breaks in and kills your family. You blame the prior occupant for not strengthening the locks?

How many convictions do they have for 9/11?

How many did Clinton get for WTC1?

Bush scrapped Clintons suggestions, put Cheney in charge
of the anti-terrorism policy setting commitee .
That commitee did not meet once before 911 and when
bush finally got around to setting anti-terrorism
policy he adopted Clinton's suggestions that he had
scrapped in the first place .

We need to shut up the Freepers so they stop having anti-Clinton orgies. Alas, the Clenis is too strong for them to resist.

Everyone knows 9/11 is the fault of the guys flying the planes but the Bush* administration let it happen and could have prevented it. That's a fact.

Bush* apologists are the only ones trying to divert the blame to the big dog. They are desperate.

:shrug: The key in this stage of the chess
game is language and perception. It sucks to
stuff it into a sound bite , but alass that
is how it must be done .

Memorize key soundbites that take patriotism back
and put the opponent on the defense .

The perception of the masses depends on short
concise statements .

he was accused by Republicans of being too obsessed with Osama Bin Laden & terrorism, even though the Bush Admin was warned coming in that Bin Laden was a major threat to national security.

by republicans.

I think they are haunted by nightmare dreams of Clinton's penis.

Remember the "aspirin factory"? The damn freepers STILL talk about that. No matter what Clinton would have done, they would have found fault. He was a DC "outsider" and beat Daddy Bush...the repukes HATED him for that. They are a pathetic group of parasites. He tried getting Bin Ladin many times.

with Madeline Albright and someone called in and asked her about the fact that some country had offered OBL to Clinton and he turned it down. My ears perked right up on that cause the question comes up here frequently. Monsoor Ijaz CLAIMS he had talked an African Nation into turning him (OBL) over to us and we(Clinton) said no! Madeline Albright said she had heard that alot too and it is absolutely false. That had they been given an offer such as that, they would have taken it. So there, it's official. You might wanna check Book TV for re-air of her segment.

with vested interests in lifting the economic sanctions against Sudan (mainly because they support terrorism themselves,)
The United States apparently does not make deals with "go-betweens" like that, who also had major busisness interests in Sudanese oil.
The story is utter bogus, and Albright was very correct in saying it was false. Glad to see that they're fighting back against this crap.

it will make you feel a whole lot better on this issue, plus have a way to back up what you say.

he, at least, bothered to have the book researched before he went to press.

But I think I need to go father back, to the books Franken cites.
Joe Conason's Big Lies also covers the attacks and the "Blame Clinton First" crowd. It's the last chapter.

Direct them to http://archive.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/ , and ask them why Bush 41's pardons were okay and Clinton's weren't.

Ask them what Clinton should have done about 9-11 ten months beforehand that Bush 43 couldn't have done a month (or even a week) beforehand.

Ask them why, if Clinton is a rapist and a murderer, was he never charged with those offenses (or any offenses) in a court of law? Point out that Clinton was investigated for eight years, and the only thing they could ever charge him with was lying about a blowjob (and even that didn't stick). Note that no major figure in the Clinton administration was ever indicted, while plenty of figures in the Nixon and Reagan administration were.

Ask them for evidence, and if that doesn't work, tell them to go to hell.

anti-terrorism measure. Bush abandoned this process for dealing with terrorism established during the Clinton era.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/progs/newsnight/attack22.ram

Bush blocked Bin Laden Probe from the BBC