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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:18 PM
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the hypocrisy/stupidity of Kerry's complaints about Dean opting out
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 01:21 PM by pruner
Kerry says he'll opt in order to compete with Dean, but he criticizes Dean for opting out to in order to compete with Bush.

it seems Kerry is more interested in defeating Dean than he is in defeating Bush.

:crazy:
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Angelus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:21 PM
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1. no kidding...
the democratic candidates need to stop trying to outdo each other and need to stop fighting. The main objective is to oust Dubya, not each other. :crazy:
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:21 PM
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2. I agree
Kerry is saying he wouldn't opt out against Bush who has a ton more money than Dean, which means he is saying he isn't willing to run the strongest campaign he can against Bush but he is willing to do so against Dean.

Huh?

Does Kerry know who he really needs to defeat?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:23 PM
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3. Why the red
on Edwards?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:34 PM
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22. Lack of experience
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:25 PM
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4. Kerry Said He'll Opt-IN Now?
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 01:26 PM by tsipple
Huh?

Am I the only one that's on the verge of tuning John Kerry out?

So let's see if I've got this right. John Kerry will totally empty his campaign accounts trying to win in the primaries. If he's lucky enough to win, he'll be as more impotent than Bob Dole was against Bill Clinton: broke with no way to fight back against the Bush corporate money juggernaut.

Have I got that right?

On edit: This is actually good for Dean, because Kerry will have to stick to his New Hampshire state spending limit if he accepts FEC matching funds. That would allow Dean not to dip too much into his bank account, saving more funds for the fight against Bush should Dean win the nomination.

OK, John, I like you a little better now, although probably not in the way you expected.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:34 PM
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5. Can't he use his wife's inheritance?
Does he want to run against Smirk's zillion dollar war chest with one hand tied behind his back?

Why is Kerry acting this way?
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:47 PM
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9. No, he can't
His wife's fortune is tied up in family inheritance accounts, and wife can only donate the $2,000 per law. If Kerry doesn't take government finance backing, his wife can fund his campaign from her pocket, but she must cash-in her inheritance.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:38 PM
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6. Remind me to play poker with Sen. Kerry some time.
:eyes:
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:03 PM
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19. Damn!
I won't even have to cut the cards! lol

Later.

RJS
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:40 PM
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7. Some double standard you have there.
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 01:41 PM by blm
Dean is interested in defeating Kerry isn't he? How dare Kerry want to defeat Dean.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:40 PM
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8. yes… but you know damn well that's not why he's opting out
n/t
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:50 PM
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10. Don't forget this article posted by Demobrat in Ed.
John Kerry was asked recently about the possibility that Howard Dean might forgo public matching funds in his bid for the nomination, thereby avoiding spending limits. Dean had indicated that he would accept the funds, but now is considering reversing his strategy, much like George W. Bush.

And here's what Kerry said: "Somebody who wants to be president ought to keep their word. I think it goes to the core of whether you are a different politician or a politician of your word or what you are."

snip

So let's go back to 1996, to Kerry's reelection campaign against then-Governor Bill Weld, specifically to the night Weld met Kerry at the senator's wife's Beacon Hill mansion. They finalized an unprecedented agreement to limit advertising spending to $5 million apiece, and to limit the use of personal funds in the campaign to $500,000 apiece.

snip

But a funny thing happened on the way to Election Day. Kerry didn't just violate the deal, he pulverized it. Running out of money in the waning days of October, Kerry mortgaged and remortgaged the Louisburg Square house, ultimately pouring $1.7 million in personal funds into his campaign. For those of you keeping track at home, that's $1.2 million more than the agreement allowed.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2003/09/16/hard_to_pull_for_kerry/
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:03 PM
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12. Get with the program!
Don't you know that Dean is the only hypocrite and liar running for president? :P
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:12 PM
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14. McGrory is a Bushloving wingnut. His take is wrong.
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 02:14 PM by blm
He skewed the story against Kerry, but it was Weld who opted out FIRST. Kerry had to opt out to counter the GOP influx of dollars.

The shame is that you use this wingnut propaganda against one of this nation's best Democratic lawmakers in modern history.

McGrory is the rightwing columnist for the Globe.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:14 PM
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15. Interesting quote:
"He swkewed the story against Kerry, but it was Weld who opted out FIRST. Kerry had to opt out to counter the GOP influx of dollars."

Because you feel this way, I assume you have no problem with Dean opting out of matching funds?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:20 PM
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16. I never said so, did I?
That was Dean's promise to break or not break, at his discretion.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:01 PM
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18. I'll remind you of that
when you almost certainly try to make hay out of the issue in the future.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:39 PM
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23. And that is just what Dean is doing here
The only difference is for it to be effective he had to make his decision now. Bush has already decided to opt out. If Dean hadn't decided now but tried to wait until after the primaries to do so he would have had the worst of both worlds. The limits of the public funding but no public funds.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:52 PM
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11. Last time I vented on a thread like this...
...I almost got the boot (and justifiably so), so I'll keep my anger (mostly) to myself, leaving my actual sentiments to your imagination.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:59 PM
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17. This is a good thing
All of the spit and venom being lobbed at Dean from his own party is so good not only for the Democratic party, but politics in general. It's painful and ugly while its in progress, but like vomiting out bad food, it feels so much better when it's done and gone.

Hang in there.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:08 PM
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13. Some cheese to go with that whine, Sen. Kerry???
:P
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:08 PM
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20. A pedicure to enhance those flip flops, Gov. Dean?
This is jaw-dropping hypocrisy.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:13 PM
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21. Kerry was wetting himself waiting for an excuse to opt out
He's very close to the spending caps in NH, or so I've heard.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:40 PM
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24. Well, right now he should be worried about defeating Dean
Since he's behind in the polls, to get to Bush he has to get through Dean, right? It wouldn't make any sense to allow the frontrunner to outspend him when he's behind! That would really be crazy. I like both Dean and Kerry, so I don't get how this is ridiculous or crazy--just the way anyone would operate under the circumstances.
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