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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:43 PM
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O. North and W. Clark
I just saw Oliver North on the TV in the next room. It just occured to me that while I consider North a traitor there are many who see him as a military hero. I'm just wondering, would those same people have an afinity for General Clark?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:48 PM
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1. Let's see, Oliver North helped drug dealers import cocaine
so the Bush administration could finance death squads in Central and South America, after Congress forbid them to do so. Did Clark do anything like this? I don't see the reason for the connection?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:05 PM
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7. And WHO uncovered that bit of history?
A no corporate pac money candidate named John Kerry.
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:09 PM
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8. kerry! a thorn in the side of special interests his entire career
successfully trampling those who would marginalize the voice of american citizens for 35 years.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:12 PM
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9. I'd love to hear Kerry go on the offensive
on the Bush gang and their long history of crime. Tell me what channel it's on!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:21 PM
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10. My problem with Kerry
Is that he is not doing this. He is instead attacking Dean, and proving his irrelevancy.

Kerry has the goods on BFEE. Can he please get to work on that already?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:52 PM
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2. Finish your thoughts on how YOU see Gen Clark
and then the discussion can take on the level of discourse you wish. I'm thinking flame-bait here, but would like to hear your present opinion of Clark.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:57 PM
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3. My Feelings on Clark?
That is easy enough. I think General Clark is clearly the best qualified person in the United States of either party to serve as President. It is my desire that he become President of this country and I make that known to anyone who asks me, all I ask in return is that they give him serious consideration as well, and to compare him with who every else they might be considering, just to do it on a point by point basis. Even Republicans generally come up with Clark as the winner if they do that. There is one show stopper of course, and that are the people who can not bring themselves to a person who respects women and women's reproductive rights. You can't win them all.

So there, is that clear enough?

Thom
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:00 PM
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6. Pretty concise
thanks. For my part, there is no comparison. Clark got booted from NATO due to Pentagon politics. North had to be pardoned from crimes against the state. North Was a Lt Col, Clark a 4 star General. Lt Col in the Marines is a big deal, no doubt, but if it weren't for his felonies agianst the people of this country we would've never heard of the pile of steaming horseshit.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:59 PM
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4. I don't see the connection myself
Frankly Oliver North did look good in a uniform, and presented himself well at the hearings--but he did actually do some pretty bad stuff. I think he's only a hero to extremely partison conservatives, and so Clark is unlikely to appeal to them.

Besides the Republicans already have a military hero candidate--President Bush. It's not very well known, but during that year he was AWOL, he was actually flying top secret missions against the Romulons, in the prequel to that recent Showtime MOvie about 9/11.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:00 PM
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5. Ollie North is a liar and criminal
There is no reason to compare him to Clark, just because they both wear a uniform.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:23 PM
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11. North may be all that but he was responsible for Crack Cocaine
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 03:29 PM by Bandit
It was by his expertise and forethought that Crack was introduced into the inner cities and young blacks could get some cocaine at rock bottom prices. Also they then could be charged with a felony and have their voting rights taken away not to mention the money that was made selling the drugs to finance the illegal war in Nicaragua. North is no dummy. They had a long range plan and it included disenfranchising as many Blacks as possible while keeping the war machine going. No wonder he is a hero to the racist party known as the GOP.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:38 PM
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12. and now prisons have been allowed to compete with business
So now prisons with prisons labor are using those people arrested for drugs to compete with low-wage countries like China, not to mention making sure those people can't ever vote. Let's call it "neo-slavery".
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:45 PM
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13. And now they are going to
to the same with all of those poppies in Afghanistan. I heard a guest on Washington Journal (I think-- maybe it was FreeSpeech TV), say that in a year or two Europe and the US will be full of opium and the druglords and warlords will be in charge of everything in Afghanistan.
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