Cornell Student Assaulted (hate crime at Ludacris concert)

ITHACA--A white female student assaulted Sunday night leaving the Nappy Roots and Ludacris concert at Cornell's Barton Hall told The Sun that she was the victim of a hate-crime, which left her with a ruptured ear drum and thirteen stiches on her face. The Cornell Police morning report noted that the police received a "complaint from a student that was physically assaulted by an unkown individual." The report indicated that the assault occurred at 11:47 p.m. and that the investigation is continuing.

"She said 'Get your white hair out of my face,'" the student said. After the student put her hair up to get it out of the way, the alleged assailant proceeded to hit her, at which point the student and her friends moved to the back of the concert space. When the concert was over, the student separated from her friends to get into her car and said she found herself surrounded by a group made up of five black females and one black male, who have yet to be identified.

"They said they were gonna f**k up my pretty white face," she said. Allegedly, the incident turned physically violent when one of the girls slapped the student hard enough to rupture her eardrum, a blow which threw her off balance. The other five assailants proceeded to kick and punch her as she fell down.


Full story...

http://www.cornellsun.com/articles/9972/


Whats interesting is that this story has not appeared in any local or other news papers. This is the only published report.

A hate crime is a hate crime is a hate crime. Or maybe whitey had it coming to her.

How did she deserve being assaulted? Do I deserve being assaulted because a lot of "my people" are terrorists?

all types of crime are up all over the nation and you hear virtually nothing about it. Remember when Reagan ran his entire campaing on cutting government and "law and order?" Why is there no outrage now?
Well, we have a new scapegoat...

However, discrimination is very significant and the vast majority of American Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim fail to realize that they are heading toward a disaster of epic proportions if the status quo continues...

They always have to make a big deal when something like this happens at a hip hop concert. If it was at a rock concert, people wouldn't make as big a deal...

It was reported in the college newspaper. Do you expect it to ignore a hate crime?

I remember back in the heydays of Metal in the 80's, from time to time a person would get their ass beat for wearing a tshirt that had a band on it someone didnt like.

Thats about as close to a hate crime I have ever heard at a rock concert.

and there's not enough information

on this matter, could you link me to some threads about hate crimes where you have said that before?

Since when is consistency an issue on DU??

could you show me some of my statements from the aforementioned so-called hate-crime threads?

A white person at a Ludacris concert get's slapped around and you automatically assume the white person is the victim?

i see.

As another poster said, replace "white" with "black" in the quotes from the story. I don't think you would have the cavalier attitude that you currently have.

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Also the second one with his name ending with "man." Not the smartest group of people.

but I picked it because I am a magician and a man. Got it, MagicMan.

As you can see from the top of the page we are having a fund drive.

It may not be true, but if it is she was indeed a victim and this should be prosecuted as a hate crime.

I'd still love to hear the other side...especially when people on this thread are so quick to label this a hate-crime.

The people who are always against hate crimes because "all crimes are hate crimes" are pretty quick to change their mind when it's a white person being attacked by a minority.

Not that I'm saying this is the case. I just suspect it is.

How do you expect people here to react to this?

would you be supporting Dems if there was no Clark running?

Are most Democrats supportive of hate crime legislation or not?

I would be supporting Edwards if Clark wasn't in the race, but I do have some extreme right-wing views, such as support for hate crime legislation. What is your position on hate crime legislation?

If the story is veracious was the attack a hate crime in your view?

I've already given an opinion about whether or not the incident was a hate-crime.

You said you needed to see more facts about the case.

If the story is veracious is it a hate crime in your view? It is a simple question. Why not answer it?

What is your position on hate crimes BTW?

you didn't answer that question

So, if the story is true is it a hate crime? Or is it not a hate crime in your view because she was white?

What is your position on hate crime legislation?

I answered yours in the other post

Where did you state your position on hate crimes?

I answered you in this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=699572&mesg_id=699956&page=

I'll support any Democratic candidate that wins the nomination.

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31. I see you're a Clark supporter


would you be supporting Dems if there was no Clark running?


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interesting that you now feel the need to correct me on the question you refused to answer

I said I would support Edwards, a Democrat, if Clark was not running.

I didn't answer completely because I thought it was amusing to be considered a Republican with over 800 posts at DU.

That is why it was a hate crime--if true. If her story is veracious, do you believe this incident was a hate crime?

if they didn't go after all the other white folks at the concert, then I'd say that some chick and her troupe got into it with this girl, and a scuffle broke out

Besides...if this was a major hate-crime, why has no other right-biased news source picked it up? The media are worse ambulance chasers than ambulance chasers...why haven't they jumped on the story?

if they didn't go after all the other white folks at the concert, then I'd say that some chick and her troupe got into it with this girl, and a scuffle broke out


So then if 5 whites beat up a black, making clear comments about the persons race, but don't beat up "all the other black folk" then no hate crime was committed?

And I guess then the murder of Matthew Sheppard wasn't hate crime since they didn't go after "all the other gay folk" at that gay bar.

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Got any evidence this woman was targetted because of her race?

"I'm going to f**k up your pretty white face"

So, the girl looked around...saw a white girl...saw her hair and decided to attack her? Oh...so THAT's what happened! :eyes:

Clearly race played a role in the attack. Is it true that if race plays a role in an attack it can be prosecuted as a hate crime?

"black girl and her friends target white girl for having white people hair"

how Ludacris can you sound?

And race clearly played a role. Hence, the attack can be prosecuted as a hate crime.

What is your position on hate crimes???????

I'm more inclined to believe she had her big hair in somebody's way, or was flicking her hair in somebody's eyes, or instigated a fight in some other way, and because somebody said "white" she thinks this is a hate crime.

Would a Cornell student be dumb enough to instigate a fight when she is badly outnumbered?

But like my momma always said, "it takes two to fight."

And you know it.

Come on.

but it only takes one to assault, or a group of 6 (including a big bad tough male who also beat this girl) in this case.

White woman says a "big bad black man" attacked her. Got to believe her.

...outnumbered 6 to 1?

Not that I believe she got in a fight with six people.

What I think is more likely is that she got in a fight with a black woman. She got her ass kicked. And now she is saying it was a hate crime.

Now tell me, if she is getting beaten by six people including a "big, bad, black man" all that she would have is a busted ear drum and some pulled hair?

Don't you think that in a crowded concert there would be some witnesses that could corraborate her story, if true?

I won't accept her story until it is proven. I have just said that if it is true that incident was a hate crime.

"So then if 5 whites beat up a black, making clear comments about the persons race, but don't beat up "all the other black folk" then no hate crime was committed?"

We all would correctly see that as a racially motivated crime.

it seems about the same situation that we have in this story

whether or not it is a hate crime has yet to be proved. But if it is a hate crime then the assailants deserve the same type of punishment they would get if the tables were turned.

Look at the quotes and replace every "white" with black...

nuff said.

It riles the blood of uppity african "american" folk and, like I've said time and time again, now they're coming after our white women. It's time we decent americans stood up, take back our country, and stop letting these negroes play their congo drums or whatever it is that produces their "music", what with their swarthy foot-tapping beats, and highly original and thought-provoking lyrics, and oh so sexy rythms. I have to agree with Bill O'Reilly on this one. Listen to rap music and soon you'll be raping white women and sacrificing babies to their heathen gods. So stop saying that.

Damn jungle rhythms!

No really. It is.

About this being about rap music? No. Look at the title of the thread. Why would Ludacris be mentioned if this wasn't about rap.

About my original post? Take a wild guess.

because the attack occured at and following his concert.

If it happened at a Metallica concert, then Metallica would have been mentioned.

I swear.. people who have no life that have to be so insecure that hate is the only thing to make them feel better.

Personally I can't stand Hate Crimes legislation.

The fact someone got assaulted because someone wanted to get in a fight with a white chick is no worse than someone who gets assaulted for any other reason.

Hate crimes terrorize a specific community, whereas regular crimes just terrorize a victim. For instance, after 9/11 every brown person in America was a bit shaken and lived in fear because they didn't know if they were going to be the next victim of backlash hate crimes.

"regular crimes just terrorize a victim."

Oh, well, hell then, let's just nevermind prosecuting standard assault & batteries and give everyone concealed weapons permits and let 'em take care of it themselves.

...serial murders?

Both are equally messed up if you ask me.

A crime is a damn crime. This business of tacking on "hate crime" is a knee-jerk reaction like all the other knee-jerk reactions we're getting now a days.

the famous "black students take over the student union" and "fornicating in the aisles" stuff made headlines back in 1969.

The national media had a field day.

And the Cornell Sun, which I worked on as advertising mgr. and also as feature writer, had, and still has, better journalistic standards than most "real" papers have today.

She didn't go to the police? This seems wierd.

As liberal as Ithaca is, I would think this would be all over the local news.

Which makes it a hate crime. The hair comment was racist but that wasn't a hate crime. However, if someone said "Im going to f**k up your pretty black(or brown) face!" wouldn't you conclude the attack was a hate crime?

?

"I'm going to f**k up your pretty white face"

Was that just an innocent reference to skin color? I think that is the "smoking gun" that reveals this as a racially motivated crime.

"Maybe she was a platinum blonde and the remark was literal"

Then why didn't she say "blonde hair"?

"or maybe it was in reference to the fact that, in that situation, a non-black woman is noticable and also flicking her hair."

That is a legitimate possibility, if she had black hair. If she had blond or red hair her hair color should have been used to identify her, especially since her hair is what triggered hostilities.

Do you know how mnay white men make racist comments every day as they make new laws and realities for black folk that make them second-class citizens? Can I charge them with hate crimes?

White males are so stupid.

"White males are so stupid."

That is a racist statement.

"Do you know how mnay white men make racist comments every day as they make new laws and realities for black folk that make them second-class citizens? Can I charge them with hate crimes?"

I'm not white. I just oppose racism in all its manifestations. There is no "good racism" in my book.

NEW YORK

PENAL LAW
PART FOUR. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS
TITLE Y. HATE CRIMES ACT OF 2000

§ 485.05. Hate crimes

1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified offense and either:

(a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, or

(b) intentionally commits the act or acts constituting the offense in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct.

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Obviously, this can be prosecuted as a hate crime since race arguably played a subtantial role in the attack.

well, why didn't you say so?

As reported in this story, I have yet to think that the incident was a hate crime.

Of course I support hate crime legislation.:D Do you?

since the crime is bad enough in and of itself.

:wow:

:eyes:

...it's a hate crime, as it should be. By including "black", he makes race a factor in the attack.

Hence, it can be prosecuted as a hate crime.

Why did she mention her skin color if she didn't care about her race?

NEW YORK

PENAL LAW
PART FOUR. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS
TITLE Y. HATE CRIMES ACT OF 2000

§ 485.05. Hate crimes

1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified offense and either:

(a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, or

(b) intentionally commits the act or acts constituting the offense in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct.

I think all people of goodwill can agree that there are grounds to prosecute it as a hate crime. Whether or not race played a "subtantial" role is debatable.

They aren't racial epithets but they indicate that race was a factor.

The question is would the reaction have been as severe if she were black? That is what a court will have to decide.

It can be argued that this wasn't a hate crime but it certainly is clear that it can be prosecuted as one.

?

Can you REALLY SAY (with a straight face) if the situation was reversed and a group of 5 white females and one white male said to an African-American, "I'm gonna fuck up your pretty black face," before pounding the sh*t out of her that you wouldn't be screaming "Hate crime!" at the top of your lungs?

That you would be here at DU making excuses for the assaulters and saying, "Well, those white girls didn't actually make derogatory comments about her being black, they wer just describing her before they ruptured her eardrum."

Are you telling me, that?

Puh-leeze...

This was a hate crime. Plain and simple. Don't look for reasons why it wasn't. Someone said "I'm gonna fuck up your pretty white face," and then proceeded to do so - with 5 other people. That's a hate crime. Face it.

So if I say, "alright, you nigger, I'm gonna mess you up" and we have a fight...that's a hate crime? Funny...I thought of a hate-crime as committing a crime solely because of the person's skin. This is why I want to hear the other side, and not the ONE side presented by this news story.

racist would use that word in referring to a black person? No, so I think that it's fair to assume that it's a hate crime.

If you wanted to use that standard, the people who killed Matthew Sheppard probably called him a fag before the beat him up. So is it a hate crime? If you say no, then fine, I'll call this a simple assault. If yes, please explain.

The story here says that other things were going on prior to the fight.

If it had been a light-skinned black girl with long hair and the black girl said she'd "fuck up her pretty face"...would that be a hate crime?

but that wasn't the case, was it? They said white, bringing race into it. Furthermore, in the Sheppard case, those who did the beating said that they beat him because he hit on them (made a pass at them) and so they beat him up. Now, did they really beat him up because he was gay, or because he made a pass at them.

If a straight man made a pass at another man and then was beat up, could THAT be a hate crime?

Keep trying to justify it, Terwilliger. Become the next Starpass.

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I have been outed! Now that you have called me a Freeper, you have rendered my arguments null and void and you win! Yea for Terwilliger!

Thanks :hi:

You guys should get a clue.

You're the only one who made a racist comment in this thread...

so white males can't make statements about other white males without being racist?

Racism is a system where those in power exercise institutional violence against peoples who are not the same color. Racism springs from power.

do you think this is true now? What particular "power" did the guys who dragged the black man behind the pickup truck in Texas possess? None of them were cops, or the mayor. The lynching wasn't endorsed by ANY authority. They were prosecuted.

That was racism. They had no more power than a man pointing a gun at your head, no matter what color he happened to be.

who felt entitled to kill this man because he was black.

Racism: springing from those in power

because he hated white people, that would not be a hate crime because, socially speaking, that black man has less "power" than the white man.

When the gun (or bat or knife) was being wielded against the white man, do you think he would say he has more power? What difference does it make if someone feels entitled to kill someone else? Some poor people feel entitled to rob their "white oppressors" because they made them poor. Is that justified?

What % of interracial crimes are prosecuted as hate crimes?

..you are one of those people who think that ONLY whites can be racist. Or, if you like, only the majority group in an area can be racist because they hold all the power.

That seems to be your position.

others, by definition, have prejudices (and there's no doubt that blacks, latinos, and others have serious hatred issues going on) but the racists are those with the power

Like Bosnia...the Serbs had the power in the society and that made their prejudices part of the system that suppressed (and mass murdered) the ethnic minorities.

Using your logic, can a poor white be racist?

A parsing of words on par with the various pronouncements of Emperor Bunnypants*.

Hatred is hatred. Racism is racism. Here's the dictionary definition.

racism n.

1. a doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior. 2. a policy, government, based on such a doctrine. 3. hatred of intolerance of another race or races

Is POWER mentioned there AT ALL? Is this definition of racism qualified in any way, shape or form by societal position? Of course not.

That is a disingenuous argument, a truly pathetic argument considering what every dictionary has to say regarding the definition of racism.

The "racism can only be perpetrated by people in power" lie ranks right up there undoubtedly with whatever Freepers tell themselves when they read the definition of "liberal" in the dictionary.

In fact, I imagine right now, Terwiliger, you are thinking, "That's a WHITE dictionary."

I got news for you...that EXACTLY what the Freeper thinks, "That's a LIBERAL dictionary."

Maybe you both can rewrite it together...

(though the one thing I do not expect is for you to reexamine your own position based on my arguments, not because you are African-American, but because you are a human being...and itr's damned few human beings that can face of to the power of denial when they have embraced such a disingenuous lie for so long...it's too painful)

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

It is one of the fundamental beliefs of members of the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."

Second, I know a white female that attends Cornell so this is loosely personal for me.

You know a white female at Cornell? So the fuck what? What does that have to do with anything, unless it's actually a racist inferiority complex that makes you want to fear for the safety of white people.

:)

Of course this is about race. I oppose all race-based attacks. I've been a victim of one myself...

He has a point Terwilliger. Freepers will be sending your posts to every white person they know to further the myth that Democrats are anti-white.

NEW YORK

PENAL LAW
PART FOUR. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS
TITLE Y. HATE CRIMES ACT OF 2000

§ 485.05. Hate crimes

1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified offense and either:

(a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, or

(b) intentionally commits the act or acts constituting the offense in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct.

Unless the woman who filed the report left out colossal chunks of the story - and that may very well be the case - what motivation would the woman who led the assault have had to engage?

"Well, your honor, I successfully intimidated the victim into leaving the front of the hall, so I just thought I'd see what she'd do if I roughed her up."

Hence, it can be prosecuted as a hate crime. The question is whether it played a "subtantial" role.

n/t

If, that's IF, the incident happened as reported, and the victim left out no chunks, race had about as much to do with it - but probably less - as the offender being more than a little uptight.

If I, a white woman, were at a show and said 'get your black hair out of my face," and then later threatened to fuck up someone's pretty black face, I could not be charged with a hate crime?

If a black guy rear-ended a white guys car and the white guy mentions he's black while he's punching him I wouldn't call it a hate crime.

Some people don't know the difference between a "hate crime" and black people beating up white people.

up a white. This whole thread is silly and illustrates exactly why you shouldn't have something like a "hate crime." It's stupid. If a person gets murdered, I guess it's not enough to prosecute them for murder, we need to tack on "hate crime" so they can be electrocuted twice.

One day people might realize that all crimes are political.

It is a hate crime if the attack was motivated by racism, or motivated in large part due to racism.

What % of interracial crimes are prosecuted as hate crimes?

In NC we have a large population of illegal immigrants from Mexico. It is well known that a vast majority of them do not use banks and keep large sums of cash at home.

This being the case, home burglars have targeted hispanic neighborhoods that are dense with illegal immigrants for the express purpose of taking these large sums of cash.

They were targeted because they are hispanic based on the above known information. Is this a hate crime?

NC says so and has charged these burglars with not only B&E and other burglary and larceny crimes, but with HATE CRIMES!

what kind of fucked-up legislators do you have in NC?

OH YEAH! People like Jesse Helms! :nuke:

except for a few brief periods in history.

And they were specifically "Targeted" because of their race. Does that not meet the definition of a "hate crime"?

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In fact, our "Council of State" had NEVER had a republican on it until 2001.

who was targetted? in the story you posted (nice catch, by the way, considering how passionately you're harping on this incident) it says clearly that the girl (who is on record as being the sole provider of information for this story) did something to provoke the other girl. Did that justify a fight? I don't know. But as it stands now, there doesn't seem to be a hate crime...and that all depends on specifically what constitutes a hate crime.

When a bunch of guys specifically target a gay man because of his sexual preference....I mean target...they beat and killed him...then it sure sounds like a hate-crime.

It obviously played a role in his murder, though. So was it a hate crime or not in your view?

because he squeezed some guys ass? he was murdered because he was homosexual, and a bunch of white guys took it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner solely based on their opinion of him because of his sexual orientation. That is definitely a hate crime.

They didn't decide to randomly kill a homosexual. The incident started because he angered them with his actions. His sexual orientation played a major role in his being killed, hence it was a hate crime.

"a bunch of white guys"

What relevance does their race have in this case?

groups of black men beating up on homosexuals...

Using your example...if a guy hit on a lesbian, would it then be ok for the lesbian and her friends to go beat on the guy?

"Well, I find it interesting that I haven't heard about groups of black men beating up on homosexuals..."

Relevance? Right-wing people have their theories about race and crime. Do you approve of them?

"Using your example...if a guy hit on a lesbian, would it then be ok for the lesbian and her friends to go beat on the guy?"

No, because that is illegal. Where did I justify Sheppard's murder? I simply said his sexual orientation wasn't the reason the incident started. It was a hate crime because his sexual preference played a major role in their decision to murder him.

n/t

problems with blacks
problems with homosexuals
problems with Democrats

you should get them sorted out

"in the story ... it says clearly that the girl ... did something to provoke the other girl. Did that justify a fight?"

Tell me, what, to you, 'justifies' a fight?

To me, nothing but being attacked does. (In other words, self defense.)

That is a very, very disturbing statement. I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding you. :(

Here's what the story says:

had a minor altercation with another girl who was at the concert while the performace was still going on.

"She said 'Get your white hair out of my face,'" the student said.

After the student put her hair up to get it out of the way, the alleged assailant proceeded to hit her, at which point the student and her friends moved to the back of the concert space.

Terwilliger, do you ever go to concerts? Ever get up close to the front? Ever dance in the front - the way so many music fans do in Upstate NY?

Do you think maybe if you were dancing up front and you had long hair, it might go flying around?

Do you think maybe if you were dancing up front, you'd maybe bump into other people?

If, and again, I'm going with a big IF, the story as presented is factual, it would imply that the woman who got beat up wasn't doing anything you wouldn't see at any rock or rap show, anywhere. It's only provoking to people who are uptight in tight crowds, who shouldn't be up front anyway.

I've known a few illegal immigrants and none of them carried "large sums of cash." They would, however, be afraid to go to their police. So here we've got criminals attacking people based pretty much on their ethnicity and legal status, so I wouldn't have a problem prosecuting them with hate crimes. What's your problem with it?

with it was that it was robberies which targeted homes with the highest rate of success to produce a large haul. Regardless of the race of the occupant, the MONEY was the target, not the resident.

that the Cornell incident WAS a hate crime, this NC scenario clearly does not constitute a hate crime. They were targeted because of a particular practice of people of their ethnic group (I have heard the same of Asians who do not trust our banks - don't know if that's true). Any smart robber might have done the same. Some of the robbers might have even been Mexican.

nuff said

is your response of "nuff said" being made in a dismissive tone, or in an "i believe the victim" tone?

say it aint so.

It's freaking assault. Who really gives a baboon's ass what the motivation is? Assault is assault is assault. Murder is murder is murder. I fail to see why assaulting someone for money is somehow better than assaulting someone over "race."

Lock 'em all up, I say.

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They terrorize an entire group. Case in point: the attacks on Arabs and people perceived to be Arabs after 9/11. Anyone who was Arab or "looked Arab" lived in fear because they didn't know if they would be the next victim of the reich-wing backlash.

That group is society.

That's why it's State vs. Bad Guy, instead of Victim vs. Bad Guy.

Hate crimes should be prevented to help prevent some groups from being targets of bigoted violence. It is an equality issue.

I don't honestly believe that anyone who is about to commit a murder says, gee, I'd better not, because I may get the death penalty as opposed to life.

And I don't believe anyone who is in the mindset to beat up a "faggot" is going to change his mind, because he is going to get 7 years instead of 5.

Finally, I don't like the idea that someone could get 5 years for beating me up but 7 for beating up a member of a protected group. It makes me think the person would choose to take his anger out on me. "Well, I can pretend that boy what drives that faggy car is gay."

This case is a good example of that. Hate crime laws protect anyone targeted because of their race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, color, or sexual preference.

to know if she was even beat up at the concert. I am sure the police will investigate and find out if this was a hate crime or not. Just because someone mentioned her race does not make it a hate crime. It is only a hate crime if she was targeted because she was white.

From what she says there was an altercation in the concert between her and some other people. After the concert they beat her up.

It is only a hate crime if she was targeted because she was white.


While in principle and a perfect world this might be true, but people have been charged with a hate crime just for the mear utterence of a racil remark during an altercation, assault, fight, etc...

I am discussing this case. People are charged with crimes they didn't commit all the time. We should work to make sure that does not happen not add on to the problem.

Here is the law in NY:

NEW YORK

PENAL LAW
PART FOUR. ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS
TITLE Y. HATE CRIMES ACT OF 2000

§ 485.05. Hate crimes

1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified offense and either:

(a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, or

(b) intentionally commits the act or acts constituting the offense in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct.

did the black girl start the fight because the girl was white?

The question is whether race played a "subtantial" role in the assault or not.

well?

Did her race play a subtantial role in her being attacked?

did the black girl "attack" the white girl solely based on her race?

Did it play a subtantial role in her being attacked? If the story is veracious it did IMO.

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it's like when bustamonte was "able" to use the "n" word. that lucky ducky! boy, it's tough being white! i mean, where's the Congressional White Caucus? those lucky ducky minorities get one!

:shrug: most white people don't know the score...btw, it's quite LOPSIDED!

in response to the original post, if it's proven this girl was racially attacked, then it is probably a hate crime.

but it is good to see you are keeping your eye on the scales of justice, magic man! keep fighting against reverse racism, my brother!

what other battles do you wage, magic man? corporate crime? unjust war? loss of civil liberties?

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What is it that Bustamante said that was racist? Do you get all your talking points from Fox News?

What is it that Bustamante said that was racist? Do you get all your talking points from Fox News?

do you have a (D) after your name?

and you seem to think the press is liberal...how interesting!

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on a variety of topics.

Going out of your way to trash Dems doesn't sell in these parts.

n/t

;-)

:P

gives a wink and a nod to racism in America.

The same old story. A gang of Black marauders attack an innocent white person for no apparent reason, and the Liberal media refuses to report the story. Political correctness run amok!

Rest assured, if the incident indeed happened as told by the white female student, a whole sh*tload of charges will be brought against her Black assailants. Feel better now?

And oh by the way, we can play ice hockey too.

right-on, brother!

:hi:

:P

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Are you a Cornell student? I used to live in upstate New York (Rochester) and remember how beautiful it is around there (high above Cayuga's waters).

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n/t

However, seeing as these types of threads are a dime a dozen at FR, and considering his/hers subsequent responses and way low post count...

You need to expound.

race motivated violence isnt acceptable for anyone.

It was started by a person who has since been banned.

Thanks,
MrsGrumpy
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