Continuing Saga of the 30-Hour Marathon Senate Debate Thread #4

Rick Santorum is shouting and screaming and raving like a lunatic.

About what, I haven't the slightest clue :shrug:

These people are truly INSANE!

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things.......junior's roadmap to peace.

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LOL. Damn. :evilgrin:

I know it's probably not the appropriate time for this but I'm starting like this guy.

I still miss George Mitchell.

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Bush should be grateful for what he has been given. An unelected president has never had 100+ of his nominees accepted.

even when he is screwing you!

It has been several years since the Dems have placed a candidate up against John--it is time Terry McAuliffe to put up a strong Dem candidate against this seat!

Allen is a pure waste of time and Warner is polite, but I get responses to my appeals to vote a particular way that are 180 out from my views. In short, both are a waste of time and should be voted out, but living in this great red state, they will not be voted out. The VA Dems missed their chance to put up a decent candidate against Warner last year and I expect they will do the same when Allen is up for re-election - nothing.

What a worthless governor. Its like the Republicans claims of government. They promote the incompentent ones. Senator allen, proving that no matter how badly you fail at one task, you can be rewarded a whole new chance to fux up again.

The U.S. Senate is engaged in a 30-hour non-stop debate to highlight a long-standing partisan standoff over several of President Bush's judicial nominations.

Republican leaders scheduled the marathon session with the hope of raising public anger over Democrats' tactics aimed at blocking several of President Bush's judicial nominations from coming to a vote on the Senate floor.

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As they prepared for the debate, Republican leaders rolled out cots for lawmakers who might need a nap during the long session.

In fact, Republicans say they hope to catch Democrats asleep, or off the Senate floor, so they can sneak in a vote approving the nominees.

Senator Daschle says that will not happen because Democrats have agreed that at least two members of their party will be in the chamber prepared to speak at any time.

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=612F9F11-A047-47EE-AFB28354C0E55D4C

it is past time to remove these people from having the ability to destroy our democracy.

whatever it takes, WHATEVER IT TAKES.

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Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, an assistant Republican leader and a principal architect of the session, told reporters that, "We'll work well into the night on Thursday night, and we will do what is best for this country and what is best for the Constitution to try to restore the tradition and precedent of the Senate to get up or down votes on judicial nominations for the sake of this country and for the sake of the independence of the judiciary."

Republicans are angered that although they have 51 votes, a slim majority, they have not been able to get all of President Bush's judicial nominees confirmed. The Democrats have succeeded in blocking, so far, four of Mr. Bush's nominees to the federal appeals courts, the level just below the Supreme Court while confirming 28 appeals court judges.

The Democrats have been able to block the four, who they say are conservative ideologues outside the mainstream of legal thought, by threatening filibusters, or extended debates. To break the filibusters, the Republicans need a three-fifths majority or 60 votes. So far, they have only succeeded in attracting a few Democratic defectors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/12/politics/12CND-MARATH.html?ex=1069304400&en=d5c8de9e7700c197&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

We are here to keep our republic?? They can investigate Clinton for 8 years, steal an election by having THEIR RW judges appoint the squatter and the Democrats are treading on dangerous ground. Oh, PUHLEEEEEZE!

Says there has been some misstatements about how many nominations have been filibustered. Wants to correct the record.

The Repubs are refusing to yield him the floor.

Can dish it out, but can't take it. Scared of the truth, ain't he?

And now we've brought abortion into it.

Never give a neo-con an abortion opening. Never, never, never.!!!

I just can't eat enough of the stuff.

They are seriously corrupt. If they succeed in getting the Frist-Miller bill passed they will appoint any kind of right wing zealot to the U.S. Supreme Court.

First, his 8 1/2 hour monologue yesterday and now, listen to him! He is fantastic!

He is my favorite.

signifying what Bush has done to create jobs. Reid is so sincere. Also said we shouldn't worry so much about Estrada. Estrada makes a 1/2 million dollars a year. Well, that puts the sandbag right where it belongs!

....and he must have DU on his laptop -- he just talked about the $500k Estrada makes. "Don't shed too many tears for him."

Want to say what a great job the posters here have done in describing what's gone on so far. I agree it presents a golden opportunity for the Dems to show some spine, and so far they're looking good, IMO.

but I gotta say, I LOVE the way the Dems are hammering the real issues facing Americans, and comparing them to the nonsense that the 'Pukes are making this debate about.

Schumer's up--that's my senator!

I LOVE that they're hammering the "4 not confirmed" issue too!

...for a change, it seems! Really impressed with their articulation tonight. Good points from all. (Have to admit, I can't listen to the Reps, tho.) But, it will be interesting to see how well both sides hold up over time.

.....and a republican tonight had the ball to say that the democrats wouldn't even pass the pornography bill.



Oh, Mother

The man is a hero. Defending the poor. :loveya:

Schumer's up!

Basically making the point that this is just a rehash of arguments they've already heard over and over again. Nothing is going to change.

Says he tried to ask a question and was rebuffed. No coming together here. No elucidation.

Republicans need to take the words "advise and consent" more seriously. Makes the point that this "marathon" is only HELPING DEMOCRATS!

Thanks the Republicans for bringing this up. Says that this is gonna BACKFIRE ON THE REPUBLICANS!

"This is good for us.I know some of you on the other side didn't want to do this."

Jay

the republicans look like fools! :bounce::bounce:

"hypocritical". I hope this whole thing gives the Dems and the media some nads for the future! They're on a roll!

Schumer yields to a question from the Senator from Texas.

Makes the point that there HAVE been filibusters! Asks the Republicans when THEY filibustered (names at least 3 judges that were filibustered) why there wasn't a problem. Says that the only problem is that the Democratic filibusters have SUCCEEDED while the Republican filibusters weren't successful! (Dems were able to muster the min. 60 votes to defeat the Republican filibusters).

i could swear it did...

added some additional bullshit to it. It's really a completely BOGUS, trick question.

http://www.senate.gov/~frist/

what a great speaker... I don't know how thay can rebut his argument. Go Chuck!

were in favor of blocking these extremist judges now they have CHANGED the entire wording of the question to make it appear the People agree with their fascist nominees. These "people" are beneath whale shit, there is nothing they will not do in order to get their way. Are the taxpayers funding this bullshit website and poll manipulations?

"This Senate isn't 68-32 or 70-30. This is a country evenly divided."

"What's new is those on the other side, if they don't get their way, they want to change the rules..."

GO SCHUMER!

They add words to make something appear to be other than what it is. "No filibusters have ever taken place" should be "Nosuccessful filibuster has ever taken place" They are a slick bunch of whacked out politicians.

"If they don't get their WHOLE way, they want to change the rules."

He's my guy, instead of that GOPer Fitzgerald, (12 Million of his own cash to beat CMB in 98) but Fitz is retiring and a Dem will win his seat.

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exciting with the Dems speaking. Looks like it is time for the Repubs to start now. Start grinding your teeth and cursing!!!

Can only presume he'll be back before long

the citizens from Illinois (me) should be PROUD! He was awesome! I don't know if he'll be back or not?

Fitzy's out, and the seat is ours.

I love Durbin.

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He wouldn't give Schumer his time back. This could end up being a brawl! Man would that be fun to watch. :7

http://www.senate.gov/~frist/

"Should the Senate minority block the body's Constitutional duty to provide the President's judicial nominees with an up or down vote?"

VOTE YES!

actually keeping the vote tallies from the other question when it was not going their way. They are beyond belief and I deeply resent that the taxpayers are paying for this horse shit.

We need to write to Senator Reid about this.

Should the Democrats support the President in the establishment of a society in which children aren't eaten? ;-)

Bill Frist is one stupid asshole.

Stop using out come determined arguments. Filibusters are fine when you're doing them.

Blocking appointments is fine, filibustering is okay, as long as you're the ones doing it....


Schumer is our spine.

Politicat

To bad McDonalds (Mcconnell) is up.....

there isn't a mechanism whereby we can send emails to the body of the Senate (not just our senators) during this circus to let them know we think this is a piss-poor use of their time. I mean, I live in NY, so my senators are doing great (I'm gonna assume Hillary will breathe fire later in this debacle), so I can send them notes saying "Go, You!" But it would be nice if we could get a running "people's commentary" on the whole proceeding, if that makes sense.

there.

But like a lot of the people I work with, they're scared of technology.

And they don't want to know what we're thinking.

Politicat

On Edit: Though I know for certain that my senators - Allard the Mallard and Benny Boy "Yup I'm a Native American now that I'm not a Dem" Campbell - wouldn't give a good goddam for what I think. I'm a focking Boulder bleeding heart hippy freak flake commie.

Glad to make yer acquaintance, I'm sure!

WHY are the Dems so nice? Why won't they play the same game? STOP being so NICE!

my unemployed ass.

inflation, anyone????

will make a grand difference in how long it takes to get a case heard.

What a loser, sorry any AZ people who care for him.

They're strict constitutionalists.

All of those Newdow judges (the 3) were

wait for it....

REAGAN appointees.

They're not judicial legislators, they're reading the constitution and saying, well, yeah, that's what it says.

Politicat

from someone with no TV, you have let me 'see the whole thing.'

that the 4 must be affirmed, is incorrect. *Bush needs to present candidates that are judicial material, non-idealogs.

It is not the senates responsibility to fill the slots with just anybody. The senate MUST consent that judges will be good judges.

The repubs argument is wrong, again.

Congress (Senate in this case) is "We the people" and it their responsibility to voice the values of the people.

Congress alone sets the values we hold, as a country.

This is why judicial appointments must come through the Senate. How else can the values of the country be applied to the laws?

Republicans should be hugging and kissing us, eww...

Will she win in 2004? She better.

She is all fired up. I think our side is ready to dish out a beating. :kick:

You GO, Girl!

Bringing up bush's speech the night he finally stole the presidency - 'I will put forward mainstream nominations' - what a crock of sh*t

Go Barbara, Go Barbara, Go Barbara :yourock:

YEEHAAAAAA!

I just tried sending an email to her office, thanking her, but they only take emails from Calif. residents - so someone write to her and tell her that she's the man... errrr, I mean, she's the woman... Well, tell her she's great!

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"No I will not..." (Go fuck yourself)

HAHAHA.

Go Barbara

Nice job! Great signs too!

What a great finish.

Hit the deck. ;)

My friend worked for the guy. He's a figher.

She really had wonderfully salient points.

Schumer is kicking ass right

top of hour - spend 1/2 hour frowning and yelling

rinse, repeat.

Schumer is still making them look like fools. "Why is it that a succsssful filibuster is wrong, and an unsuccessful one is ok?"

Rethugs are scum, they won't answer the question.

now a back and forth between Sessions and Shumer... Shumer is winning.

AGAINST the Pledge of Alliegence. What a lying sack of shit. It was ONE word, and Schumer didn't call him on it.

The court's decission was very unpopular.

a filibuster is not a filibuster unless it's a filibuster which isn't a filibuster.

I must be getting really tired. hearing blah blah blah

recall no democratic senator voted for it...I don't think senator Miller was here at that time.."

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lalalalalalalalal.

Thought it was a good time to take a break and make a cup of tea so I can stay awake a little longer.

Thank you and everyone here for keeping this updated.

parsing, the one thing these Rethugs ae good at.

An All-Nighter in the Senate
GOP Aims to Call Attention to Blocked Judicial Nominees
By Helen Dewar
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 13, 2003; Page A01





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The debate got off to a wobbly start when Sens. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) and Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.) complained about unfinished work on a spending bill. Republicans, meanwhile, objected to a large purple sign reading "168 to 4" that Democrats posted on their side of the chamber. The Senate has confirmed 168 federal judges tapped by Bush, while Democrats have blocked four. Democrats were told to remove the sign until it was their turn to speak.

No one expects any votes to change when GOP senators try again Friday to confirm three stalled judges and change Senate rules to limit filibusters against nominations. Nor do they expect many Americans to be glued to their television sets at 4 a.m. to follow the latest twist in the debate.

But both parties planned hours of hoopla -- including news conferences, photo opportunities, Internet chats and, for Republicans, a "talk radio alley" in a Senate office building -- to energize their hard-core constituencies and score political points. The show of strength was particularly important for Republicans, who have come under pressure from their conservative base to fight harder for confirmation of the stalled nominees.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34028-2003Nov12.html

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filibusters. POINT FOR THE DEMS, they are tying the Thugs up in knots.

They cannot deal with facts or logic.

NO ONE CARES YOU BLITHERING IDIOT, YOU AIN'T GETTING YOUR WAY. And they were forced to go back to 30/30 min per hour, POINT scored for the Dems AGAIN.

credibility, meet Mr. Shit.

The fillibuster is not a procedure rather the act of attempting to postpone something indefinately. Therefore a Hold as I believe they said was part of the senate's parliamentary book is a tool that can be used in a fillibuster.

I thought there'd be some fisticuffs. I'd just love to see Chuck Shumer beat the shit out of Bill Frist and see Barbara Boxer pull Kay Bailey Hutchison's hair out by the roots.

OMG that would be too funny for words, this is wat us junkies live for, wish the Dems balls were as big under normal circumstances. Maybe tey will grow a bit after this.

Commercial free too (well I guess quorom calls kind of count as commercials because they are just as annoying).

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night for! Yee Hawwww!

Unbelievable. Repos are 2-year-olds in grownup bodies.

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Sessions is whining about the democrats that said that Clinton's nominees deserved a vote. The point is the Repukes set the precedent. Live by the sword die by the sword.

rotten thugs. Lying, rotten, thugs.

Lindsey "dunk me" Graham cracker is speaking, and he is just as obnoxious as he was 4 years ago. He has one of those "Punch ME" faces.

Now Barbara baby is gonna throw it back into the face of Sessions.

the Dems indirectly on future progress in the Senate. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. Schumer will slice and dice him if he speaks again. Schumer live 7:30 AM btw.

Whiney crybabies didn't get 100% of what they wanted, wwwaaaahhhh, complain, bicker, 30hours taken away from other issues, AND she's nailing Mr. Hand now.

168-4, 168-4, 168-4, 168-4, 168-4, 168-4

Hammer it home!!

You can post your letters online too. Let everyone know we are listening.

Boxer is on her game tonight. Go get 'em, and smavck down Mr. Hand one more time.

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=701878