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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:11 AM
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1. He's an entitled son of fortune.
Luckiest piece of shit who ever lived.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:40 AM
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11. I knew a guy...
in his 40s, unemployed, and single...He had a masters in engineering and an MBA, but couldn't find a job...He came to the nation as an immigrant, got himself citizenship.

One day discussion of Bush came up and he summarized him in two words:

"Lucky dummy"

Though, I myself would prefer to substitute dummy, with piece of shit...
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weldon_berger Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:19 AM
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2. A couple of options ...
Check out this post and the comment; I think the two together offer some insights.
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:21 AM
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33. Hey Weldon! Welcome to DU!
Actually, there have been numerous threads in the past about both the drinking and narcissistic behavior, maybe it's time to bring it up again, although many people already have those thoughts in the back of their minds, especially those with histories of associating with drunks, wet OR dry, or those with Narcissism or sociopathy.
He fits.
:hi:

Bruce
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:22 AM
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3. According to the DSM-IV Criteria. for Mental Disorders

He is a Sociopath.

He is incapable of empathy.
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shamrock Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:41 AM
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5. You're right
He is a perfect example of a Sociopath.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:59 AM
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21. Hi shamrock!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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weldon_berger Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:13 AM
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9. Narcissistic Personality Disorder fits quite well.
As per here. Or he could just be a hopelessly insular, extraordinarily incurious fellow with a serious attitude problem.
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kalashnikov Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:22 AM
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4. I think he is a decent but ignorant guy.
He is not very smart and is being manipulated by those around him who are very smart. He might know this but he doesnt care. I dont think he really examines the issues and just does what ever his advisers tell him to do. He is a defender of the status quo because the status quo has always worked for him. He has never experienced real hardship in his life and probably is not so symathetic to those who have. He is not evil, but he lacks the capacity to see more than one or two steps ahead of the game. This makes him an easy pawn and is probably why there are so many contradictions and problems in his administration. Oh, and he delegates too much power, giving it to people who should not have so much.

When I said not very smart what I really mean is that he is not intelligent relative to those around him.

thats all off the top of my head and mostly b.s. But what the hell.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:41 AM
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6. Well...
...I would agree with what you said, except I think he gets off on the power he seemingly has, and especially the power to take life away.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:09 AM
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15. "I think he is a decent but ignorant guy"

The man is an arrogant shit a little despot. It's there for all to see except his followers who most likely see something of themselves in him.

Ignorant yes

Decent unless the definition has changed

There is no way that George W Bush qualifies as decent

NO WAY !
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:22 AM
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22. He doesn't joke like a decent man...
I think you're wrong in believing he's basically decent, and I'll point to his idea of "jokes" to back me up.

His idea of a joke is to mock someone else, then pull the "just joking" ploy (such as the reporter he barbed about thinning hair).
However, self-depricating humor is completely absent; the closest you'll find is infamous "trifecta" joke, but even there the idea he might have lacked the vision to foresee something is just a minor part, the set-up, not the punchline.

He even proved literally that he can't utter the words "shame on me".

Decent men don't have problems with these things. Bush does.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:59 AM
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31. "Decent"? I don't think so...
He has absolutely no compassion for his fellow Americans other than those that are in the wealthiest 1%.

Don't forget that the Squatter-in-Chief worked with Lee Atwater during his father's presidential candidacy. Atwater was known as the king of dirty tricks (Willie Horton ads) and passed on his knowledge to Dubya. Rove was also part of that little group of nasty people, and Rove is now Dubya's top political adviser.

I keep remembering Tucker Carlson's interview with Dubya where Dubya made fun of how a woman on Texas' death row might beg for mercy. Dubya apparently thought it was hilarious, but Carlson was mortified and said so in an article for the media. Dubya almost ruined Carlson for telling the truth...but the folks at Crossfire bailed him out and gave him national exposure.

No, I'm afraid Dubya is far from being "dumb". He is a viscious, crafty, cunning individual with a knack for playing politics at it's most bloodthirsty level. To think otherwise is to woefully underestimate a ruthless enemy.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:10 AM
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32. No he is certainly NOT decent in any way.
And his dumbness is a protective act, just like his fake christianity. Everyone lets him do whatever he wants because he is dumb. He's a PNACer all the way.
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:36 AM
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36. I'm Sorry
I just don't think that a man behind the killing of innocent citizens and sending American citizens to fight and die for a war based on false pretenses is a decent man.

Bush also said he would rather go to war than raise twins. What the hell is that about???
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:44 AM
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7. Immature
I think of him as a 50-something embryo.
He has been given much - too much. He has not been allowed to fail so he doesn't really understand other people who have had to mature through experience.

When he said that God wanted him to be president - that was the clincher. He truly does not understand the depth of experiences that the rest of us consider normal. He was given the presidency knowing full well that he did not deserve it. What could explain that? Even his mother couldn't pull that one off (in his mind) Must be God!

Understand him? That would be a waste of time. He behaves well enough for Cheney and Rove to do their dirty work.






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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:55 AM
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30. A 50-something embryo that needs to
be aborted.

He is pure evil.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:09 AM
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8. He's not a person
He's the spawn of Satan, not to mention really dumb.
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kalashnikov Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:12 PM
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44. hes not hitler
hitler was the spawn of satan.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:19 AM
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10. so shallow were he a puddle a frog could not drown in it
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:44 AM
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12. easy to peg
NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) complicated by substance abuse, unresolved issues with his parents, and probably is functionally illiterate.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:27 AM
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13. he's a nothing
One of those people who, if I were to encounter them in day-to-day life, would get about five seconds of my time before they would be abruptly ignored for something far more interesting. Like a stoplight or noting the time of day.


Cher
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:40 AM
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14. I'm not whatever, but I play whatever on TV and I slept in a Holiday ...
never mind.

He's a sociopath. Totally egocentric. He is a towel-snapping frat boy. He thinks he's invincible, immortal, and infallible. He thinks he is charming, even when he is at his most obnoxious (which is frequently the case). He has zero empathy. Zero empathy. Zero compassion. He has learned to feign compassion in certain circumstances, else those around him think he is some kind of monster, but he has no true compassion for anyone about anything. When he fakes it, it is obvious and insulting.

Sadly, there are too many others like him:, The irony is, he gleefully has executed many of those most like him in temperament. Ted Bundy comes to mind, although Dubya is too cowardly to commit murder.

He is an utter, irredeemable loser, but his father has insulated him from all the natural effects of his incompetence. He's gotten away with everything forever and has no understanding--not even a hint--of the real-world consequences of his actions. I'm not sure he even "believes" in elemental truths like the force of gravity. He may even have "learned" that the results of failure (for him) are positive, reinforcing his propensity for fucking things up.

The sooner we get him and his ilk out of the homo sapiens gene pool, the better for our species.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:13 AM
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16. Well said.............
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WeirdSceneGoldmine Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:27 AM
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17. I think you give him too much credit (and maybe scorn?)
He is not in control. He is a mug that so happens to be approiate for the plans at hand. America is not controlled by those we elect or select for POTUS.

The Congress and Senate are less affected but they can be controlled.

We are pawns in this game and a lucky/unlucky few get to help steer the ship that is bound for a pre-determined dock. There may be some unexpected storms on the way there but the course will not be altered to miss the expected landing.

We do not control the vertical, horizontal or the Z axis on this cruise. Sit tight, buckle up and rock the boat as much as you dare.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:35 AM
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23. I think you don't give him enough...
He's stupid in the sense of being intellectually lazy and incurious, but on things that do interest him (or in paying people back) he's sharper than most people give him credit for. If he wasn't a Bush (with its attendant advantages), he'd be somebody else's Karl Rove.

However, because he IS incurious and intellectually, he likes having problems reduced to black & white and simple answers to solve them. Thus, he has surrounded himself with neocons, who have complete confidence that they are the ones who truly know "the score", who think they have everything figured out and know what must be done, and have a plan ready to bring that to fruition.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:02 AM
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18. he is absolute garbage
the man has no conscience whatsoever
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:19 AM
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19. Oil industry pimp/master criminal supported by network of felons
Good run for their money so far but masterminded too many bank heists (Ambrosiano, BCCI) and and raids on their own industry (Enron)

Lousy poker player and even worse at the Chinese strategy game of 'Go'

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HPLeft Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:25 AM
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20. He thinks himself better than he really is
He has a sense of personal entitlement that is off the scale.
He has no passion for ideas.
He lacks emotional depth.
He is the definition of smug and arrogant.
His is deeply provincial.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:56 AM
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24. Well, I believe he has been pretty well covered by the previous posts...
It all comes down to the fact that he has been 'given' everything he has, or ever will have, for that matter.

All of us go through our teen years, for better or worse, thinking we are immortal and invincible. The vast majority of us realize that this is not true, once we meet our first real failure. By keeping failure from bush, his family and friends have established an individual that still retains his teenage ardor for personal invincibility. (This is particualrly vile in the fact that bush has failed in everyting he has done, he just has never had to accept failure).

Nturally, this sets one up for a pretty hard fall; after all the higher you go, the farther it is to the ground. I'm helping to push him off his pedestal and am enjoying it.

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rwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:03 AM
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25. He is a bully.
The university of Texas would'nt take him.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:21 AM
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26. he's an onion
Peel layers and layers of the same watery stuff, find nothing at the center and the whole thing makes you cry
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:46 AM
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27. He's loser from an Aristocratic family
These aristocrats beleive that working for a living is beneath them. Bush* is incapapble of succeeding on his own merits so he has been used as a figurehead to promote government of, for and by corporate interests.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:10 PM
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43. If you look back, he has been the front man in the business world.
He's the glad hand, the important name that brought in investors. He's the board member that would sit in the meetings telling dirty jokes, but not offering anything of substance to the company.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:48 AM
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28. Psychopath
through and through. He enjoys the pain and suffering of others way too much.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:48 AM
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29. A prick. n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:24 AM
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38. Also a miserable failure........
and........ a phony bastard.
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:29 AM
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34. never worked an honest day in his life
Georgie has had everything in life presented to him on a silver platter: college, the national guard, money, businesses, even the presidency. I wish I had his fortunate son "luck"
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1songbird Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:31 AM
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35. He is trying to live
up to his family's expectations, but unfortunately he has been a miserable failure at everything he's tried. He lives in his father's shadow and desparately wants his father's respect. His mother favors his brother Jeb and has even written as much which has to hurt. His desparation for acceptance makes him weak and vunerable to hawks such as Cheny, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz who have strong agendas and need a puppet as a face man. Bush is a first class bull**** artist who has survived by skinning and grinning. This has allowed him to mask his deficits and many shortcomings. Unfortunately you can fool some of the people some time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. He has not fooled the majority of the public and his mask has fallen and he looks like the Emperor with no clothes. I had pity at first for him until he was led into this war by his mentors which has cost the lives of our soldiers and thousands of others. His ignorance, self-delusion, and self-hatred can not be forgiven at cost such as these.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:08 AM
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37. Bush* is a conniving country club bum fraudulently strutting around
as though he is a plain-spoken American with his rooster-posturing, emulating Huckleberry Fin (the only BIG book he's read IMO).
He is an evil little simpleton.
I can't stand his swagger, his vile thin-lipped appearance, the idiocy spewed forth from his every utterance and the infantile squawking when he doesn't get his way.
He's a religious zealot deluded into believing his actions are divine intervention. IMO this is what makes him scary beyond belief.
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:35 AM
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39. My Goodness ...
...do you really think he is up to reading "Huckleberry Finn"? I suspect that he actually cannot read at all which would explain so much - the earpiece through which his speeches are fed and his ignorance of things in general. He may have memorized enough of "The Hungry Caterpillar" to fake reading it to a group of kids but I fear that is the extent of his literacy. How on earth can someone even pretend to govern this great and complex country without reading reports and news every single day? He is a pathetic, disgusting abortion that should have been.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:54 AM
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40. Good point! Perhaps he saw the movie version...
I just think that he imitates the improper english from such sources. I believe the plain speak is a fraud if you notice sometimes he drops the accent.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:05 PM
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41. Read "The Bush Dyslexicon" for a good psych profile of GWB...
I read it last year, and this analysis of Bush's speech patterns when he is angry versus when tried to be empathic is quite facinating - and scary. He speaks with the most clarity when he talking about punishment and other vindicitive type behaviors. I studied Psych in college and some at the grad level, and IMO, he does seem to suffer from clinical Narcasistic Personality Disorder. I recommend you read this inexpensive book and make your own decision...

'The Bush Dyslexicon'
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393322963/qid=1068742771/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-0779069-2192053?v=glance&n=507846

(From Amazon)
"Miller, a New York University professor of media studies, has fashioned a devastating compendium of President George W. Bush's grammatical gaffes, syntactical shipwrecks, mind-boggling malapropisms and simply dumb comments. Page after page (after page) of quotations, suggests Miller, reveal that Bush is a man who, while not stupid, is prodigiously illiterate and woefully uneducated. Further, and compounding the problem, Bush could not care less about these shortcomings.

How then, Miller asks, and this is his larger concern, did someone in Miller's opinion so obviously unqualified to be president convince so many voters that he was? Miller's answer is, in a word, television: Bush succeeded on TV not despite his "utter superficiality," but because his superficiality blended seamlessly with the vacuous culture of the tube. It was not simply that Bush's handlers were able to manipulate his image, attempting to construct out of his ignorance an anti-intellectual "good ole boy" persona, but that news professionals in the medium were all too willing to go along with this ploy. They went along because the pundits of TV have become, according to Miller, increasingly right-wing, thus natural Bush allies, but also because they no longer care to talk about substance, preferring instead discussion of "likability" and other attributes of pure image.

While Miller is sometimes vague in his arguments, he has produced a sharp-edged polemic questioning the wisdom of how we elect our leaders. As President Bush has said, "It's not the way America is all about."
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:08 PM
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42. With an estimated IQ of 98
Fate has shined its light o the wrong guy.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:23 AM
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45. He is a magnet for LOLOs. All the LOLO sheep flock to him.
and now we have a LOLO Prez.
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