After Oozy and Koozy getting snuffed yesterday who thinks without Clinton

saying what he did last night that Bush's truthfulness or lack there of, would have even still been a story today? I don't. That Bush lying story would have been dead in the water today. It would have been nothing but Oozy and Koozy 24/7 today had Clinton not have said what he did last night. Clinton trumped Roves best laid plans last night whether you want to admit it or not, and kept Bush's lying the number one story all day today. What a coincidence? Even the Republicans wanted to talk about Bush's lying today after Clintons little call to Larry King last night. Who woulda thunk?

Don

it's been in the media since last week, have you been on vaction :shrug:

peace

which is no better looking than Freepers supporting Bush's every lying move in my book. :crazy:

This is nothing more than another huge mess for the Democratic party, no finely crafted strategy.

Saddam's evil spawn would've dominated the cable shows today and Nigergate would've taken a back seat. Instead, Bush's wonderful "victory" has to share airtime with the Big dog.

it never really had one anyway, you just thought it did.

just because rove allowed some talking heads to speak about it, never meant it meant anything. it was Roves way of reducing ALL of the mass of lying about Iraq, (lying being a crime for which they crucified Clinton), down to "16 words".

Ths way they get to pretend that the media is fair and natural too.

And they did all of this at a time when most repukes are away on month long vacations, toodling around on their boats, not even paying attention.

The whole game is against you. Rove will give you some rope to keep you as his loyal opposition, but he really controls you the whole time, you just don't realize it.

There is NOTHING the American people can do to remove this royal administration from power, they control too much now and the people are too lazy and dependent on their masters.

Your illusion of removing Bush is 2004 is just that, an illusion. Rove determines what is reality. Wait and see.

my point is that the media has been on this story and there wasn't any sign of it letting up.

btw: the PEOPLE always WIN in the end against tyranical regimes, NEVER FORGET!

August 2003 Issue

It Seems to Me Howard Zinn

Humpty Dumpty Will Fall

A bit of historical perspective reminds us that governments that seem to be in total control--of guns, of money, of the minds of the population--find that all their power is futile against the power of an aroused citizenry. The leaders awake one morning to see a million angry people in the streets of the capital city, and they begin packing their bags and calling for a helicopter. This is not a fantasy but history. It's the history of the Philippines, Indonesia, Russia, of East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Rumania, and other places where change looked hopeless and then it happened.

Throughout history, imperial powers, gloating over victories, become overextended and overconfident, as their citizens begin to get uneasy because their day-to-day fundamental needs are being sacrificed for military glory while their young are sent to die in wars. The uneasiness grows and grows, and the citizenry gather in resistance in larger and larger numbers, and one day the top-heavy empire falls over.

We don't expect Bush to scurry off in a helicopter. But he can lose the next election, just as he lost the last one, and this time perhaps not all the king's judges or all the king's men will be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

And there are already people around the country calling for his impeachment. Of course, we do not expect a craven Congress to impeach him. They were willing to impeach Nixon for breaking into a building. They will not impeach Bush for breaking into a country. They were willing to impeach Clinton because of his sexual shenanigans, but they will not impeach Bush for his pandering to the super-rich. Still, it is good to bring up impeachment, because the Constitution allows it for "high crimes and misdemeanors," and it is an opportunity to discuss the high crimes of this government.

more...
http://www.progressive.org/aug03/zinn0803.html

peace

The media is strsting to do its job. People are paying attention. A little bit of truth starts leaking out.

THEM....

GW goes personally into a blazing gun battle and offs those two monstrous sons of Saddam.

Then Bill says "Don't blame George for mispeaking before the war. We all make mistrakes. Let's move on." The icing on the cake.

Another freaking disaster. We have just been set back six months in terrms of being taken sertiously.

and I agree.:thumbsup:

Any intelligent Democrat will seize this opportunity to distance himself from Clinton on this matter and come out blazing.

It is not time to move on. Presidents don't just make mistakes. Bush's mistakes have cost lives.

All energy can be harnessed for good. Quit pig-poking. Clinton isn't running for office.

Let the right-wingers use Clinton to defend Bush, and let the Dem candidates use Clinton to attack Bush. Watch the reality warp, and see how the midwest and deep south respond to the madness.

Eric

So they're doing that already. I have no problem with that.

You're telling me a scenario where Chimpy's allies need to start quoting a man they despise to back them up is a good for the WH? I'm sorry but there's no way this is good for them. The freepers must be in a tizzy!

Methinks Slick Willie is slicker than the Pukes think...

If not, he's just a self-serving jackass.

Maybe, a little bit of both. But the story stayed in the news today, and if only for that I am willing to give him a pass, even if it was totally unintentional.

But it is time to stop. The damage has been done.

I could not understand the words of the Big Dog last night. Then I thought, well he's always 3 steps ahead of everyone <that's why the repugs hated him> so there must be some ulterior motive to what he is saying.

I am going to let it go at that. I saw the Big Dog speak about 4 months ago and he was unbelievable. It was like the best college lecture ever. He mentioned Iraq, but said we should have had a coalition bec it will come back and bite us.

Hey flame me, but I believe there was a reason he said what he said and it AIN'T to help *.

that, my friend, is IT in a nutshell, the difference between the dem leadership and the repubs. same goal, different strategy. bill won't oppose bush because what bush has accomplished serves bill's masters, too.