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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:22 PM
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Gen Clark On Gays: Axe 'Don't Ask' Give Civil Unions
http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/111203clarkGays.htm

Democratic presidential hopeful Wesley Cark says if he were in the White House he would order the military to implement a policy allowing gays to serve in the military, and then press to have Congress approve it.

It is Clark's strongest statement to date on the controversial 'don't ask, don't tell policy, and clarified statements he earlier made during a television interview.

Responding to a number of questions asked by the Human Rights Campaign of all the Democratic Candidates, and released today, Clark said, " I would ask the military to craft and implement a policy that ensures that everyone who wants to serve their country is permitted to do so with honor and dignity. I would ask the military to look seriously at the British policy, which prohibits sexual misconduct by both heterosexuals and homosexuals. I would then submit the new policy to Congress to replace the current ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell’ law.”



but does this make up for his support of the flag burning amendment
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:23 PM
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1. It does for me, how about you?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:35 PM
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3. The flag burning amendment doesn't matter to me much
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 03:35 PM by Dhalgren
one way or the other. If I had had a vote, I would have voted against it, but I don't think of it as a very big deal. I think it is a very big deal to get some equale treatment for gays and lesbians in our society - somewhere. Making sexual orientation a non-issue in the military is an excellent start. Good for Clark!
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:14 PM
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12. I agree with the issue weight comparison
I'll bet there are a lot more gay and lesbian people who will be affected by this than the number of people burning flags.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:39 PM
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6. I'm not sure
Clark is still my first choice but I have to admit the flag burning thing threw me for a big loop

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:31 PM
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2. I am not sure if you should think of it as making up.
Clark, like the others is like a car. They all come with different features. They all come from different manufacturers. Some makers are inherently better than others, but the models are all different. So you give and take. Remember, there is no candidate that is a 100% ideological fit.

Clark has struggled with this position for a while. He has been more outspoken sometimes than others. I think that he doesn't want to offend anyone. His message has been consistent that he doesn't like Don't Tell. This is the strongest he has come out for this since his last MTP interview in June. I think he is just coming into his own.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:36 PM
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4. Two steps back, one step forward
The backward two-step for Clark: Supporting a Constitutional amendment prohibiting desecration of the flag.

One step forward: This stance of his on gays in the military.

Clark is not a bad guy. Not my first choice, but not a bad guy just the same.


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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:38 PM
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5. I'm curious as to your opinion? n/t
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:40 PM
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7. Got it, never mind! n/t
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:47 PM
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8. Hopefully Clark would usher in a dem senate
that would not allow a flag-burning yay or nay from the executive branch

And if it comes down to it, I think I could live with the illegality of buring flags for a democratic victory from Clark.

That just makes him more likly to carry places like Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, the Carolinas, and also Arizona a plain state or two
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:56 PM
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9. I think Clark will have the biggest coat-tails of all the candidates
People are focusing so much on Bush, that they forget we need the legislatures too. We need those coat-tails. Attacking Congress for being cockroaches won't help us get more seats.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:02 PM
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10. I agree with you, coattails are very important
My thanks to General Clark for strengthening his position on gays in the military.

But I want to plead with him to reconsider his support of the flag desecration amendment. Please read Joe Conason and his quote from Colin Powell. Don't give in to the demogogues and don't stand with the people who are trying to erode our civil liberties step-by-step.
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:06 PM
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11. Yeah, that threw me for a loop too
I don't agree with Clark on the Flag issue, but there are things I don't agree with the other candidates on too. But it's not at the top of my list, and it doesn't seem like he'll have direct input into the issue as president. And it does innoculate him to an extent in the south. So on balance, I'm still for Clark. I do wish he'd reconsider it though.

It's not a big deal to me, but it's something I don't agree with. It's just that I don't agree with the other candidates even more :)
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:19 AM
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14. good point
but we need some big name southern Dems to come on board--their support will buffer Clark against any criticism against the Repukes for his support for gay issues

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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 04:16 PM
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13. Good for Clark
THat's good to see. Now we wait for the candidate bashers to come in and say that Clark just made himself unelectable because of how Rove will spin this.

I like Clark a little more right now than I did ten minutes ago.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:24 AM
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15. I'm Thrilled
but it's also kinda sad that we're so thrilled to have one of our leaders come out with a statement that's seen as so "bold". It needs to be said, obviously. But at the same time, i still can't believe this is still such a controversial topic in this day and age.

Well done, General!
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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:27 AM
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16. 2 of the 3 candidates I like support a flag burning amendment...:(
Kucinich and Clark. Hopefully Dean's a bit better on this issue/
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:32 AM
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17. But but but- Matt Drudge and many DUers say he's "Republican"
Im confoozed!!!!
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