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It was not a pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:41 AM
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You know why Operation "Iron Hammer" sounds Nazi like?
Because it IS. It was a German plan in 1944 for using "Mistel" planes combined with manned V1 suicide bombs to attack Soviet factories deep in enemy territory.

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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:47 AM
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1. link or details please
it's too much -trying to keep up with daily shock & awe!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:47 AM
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2. Here's a link to it
Luftwaffe's Secret KG 200
http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsecretkg3.htm

Page 3: Operation Iron Hammer





As early as 1942, researchers also began to develop Mistel (mistletoe), a piggyback aircraft--a smaller aircraft mounted above a larger, unmanned aircraft such as a medium-sized bomber. After a series of false starts, the combination settled upon was a Messerschmitt Me-109 or Focke-Wulf Fw-190 fighter atop a Junkers Ju-88 bomber. The machines were joined by a three-point strut apparatus, which was fitted with explosive bolts that would sever the connection when the carrier aircraft--armed with an 8,377-pound hollow-charge warhead in the nose--had been aimed at its target. The warhead would detonate on impact in an explosion that could penetrate 8 meters of steel or 20 meters of ferroconcrete.

By May 1944, the first operational Mistels were delivered to 2/KG 101, a unit closely affiliated with KG 200. The unit was originally slated to attack Scapa Flow in northern Scotland, but the Allied invasion of Normandy changed that plan. On the night of June 24, 1944, Mistels were dispatched against targets in the Bay of the Seine, in the English Channel. Although one of the Ju-88s had to be jettisoned prematurely, the remaining four pilots had successful launches and sank several block ships.

Luftwaffe planners placed all Mistels under the aegis of KG 200 and Colonel Joachim Helbig, an expert Ju-88 pilot. Task Force Helbig was handed a daunting and audacious plan--it had been decided that the Mistels would be used to single-handedly cripple the Soviet war industry. The operation, known as Plan Iron Hammer, was the 1943 brainchild of Professor Steinmann of the German Aviation Ministry, who had pointed out the benefit of raiding selected points in the Soviet infrastructure in order to damage the whole. Iron Hammer was meant to attack the Soviets' Achilles' heel--their electrical generation turbines.......snip..
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:50 AM
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3. unbelievable
Thanks for the info.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:54 AM
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:57 AM
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6. the nest operation (again)
o.k. all you clever du'ers. the next military operation does not have a name yet. here's your chance to help mcpoopiebrain delight his minions with a clever ditty. here's some of mine:

"operation dismember brown guys"
"operation petrol seizure"
"operation second coming"
"operation i want that alot"
"operation shut up and die
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:48 PM
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27. Operation "I Want That A Lot" is the codename for 2004 "election"
After that, get ready for "Operation Shut Up and Die"
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:01 PM
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9. AWOL's Grandpappy Prescott "Nazi Aid" Bush Didn't Have Any
Desert Fox trinkets for AWOL to steal the name from.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:05 PM
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:12 PM
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15. Yep. Boy, that Clinton was such a Nazi, wasn't he?
:eyes:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:29 PM
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18. Uhm, "Desert Fox" was Rommel's nickname
It wasn't the name of a Nazi war maneuver. Methinks some people would be much better off reading books than burning them.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:31 PM
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19. Hmm. What could you be getting at?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:35 PM
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21. Looks like we'll never know now
Three posts (and two on the same asinine topic) and boom! Way to go, mods. They seem to be pretty bent out of shape lately, don't they? I wonder if it's the fail-ibuster in the Senate or Chimpy's ongoing ineptitude that has them wanting to come here to disrupt?
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:37 PM
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23. Yep, we're getting the real bottom-feeders these days.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:28 PM
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28. Freepertown Lookin' Like A Ghost town lately. Guess AWOL Is As Much An
embarrassment to them as he is to us now.

he hasn't done a damn thing right since he stumbled into washington
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:38 PM
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24. Guess You Missed The Point That Desert Fox Wasn't Named After a nazi op
operation like AWOL's "iron hammer" was.

sorry, clinton didn't cotton to those nazi's like AWOL's family did. try somewhere else, fella.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:02 PM
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10. Hi ExoticBlends!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:56 AM
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5. here is info about US(not WWII Nazi) Operation Iron Hammer
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:58 AM
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7. 1st Armored Division - Old Ironsides
Apparently the 1st Armored Division is the lead HQ for "Iron Hammer" so they get naming rights. Since the unit's nickname is "Old Ironsides" they probably name everything with "Iron" in it. Some staff officer didn't have time to check for historical use of the same name before they started using it.



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:00 PM
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8. Very interesting! Another OOPS that goes along with the original...
name of the invasion of Iraq, that being Operation Iraqi Liberation, OIL.
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:05 PM
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11. now I get it
when I heard this term this morning, I thought

--oh no they're going to bomb Iraq back to iron age, or
--Iraq went communist?

the Nazi explanation makes more sense : )
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:06 PM
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13. And your point is
?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:11 PM
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14. I just emailed this to Krugman
Hope someone in the media picks up on it.

Kinda like the first name they were gonna use for invading Iraq:

Operation Iraqi Liberation.....heheheh ("OIL")
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:17 PM
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16. It makes you wonder who....
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 12:21 PM by nomaco-10
in the Pentagon is making up these names. Remember when troops were going door to door terrorizing Iraqi civilians and they called that Operation something SYRINGE? There have been alot of other names that I simply can't recall, but remember at the time thinking... WTH, could these bozos be anymore arrogant and insensitive.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:20 PM
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17. Remember the Star wars names for the THOUSANDS of Enron
"phony companies".. This is the SAME crew.. They love to play war and make up fantasy war games.. only they are using real soldiers
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:34 PM
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20. When does Operation Foecrusher start?
I think it's going to be between Operation Smashheathen and Operation Killemall.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:36 PM
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22. Barbarossa comes first, I think
Lil George needs to hand out some more Iron Crosses to some more generals. He so enjoys playing dress up!
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:39 PM
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25. Right. When do we get to 'Night and Fog'?
Maybe that's what happened to Jessica Lynch's rescuers.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:41 PM
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26. OMG! These friggin' fascists really have no shame!!!
:puke:
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