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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:59 PM
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http://www.bushrice04.org/
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 02:05 PM by MGKrebs
HeeHee! This is a real site. I hope it gains momentum. Should we sign the petition?

I know some think that it would be a good ticket for them, but I think dumping Crashcart would show a lot of dissarray in their camp, and plus, Cheney is de-facto leader of the PNAC agenda in the admin, and I doubt Condi, even if she buys into the PNAC stuff, would be as an effective lever for them.

Plus, if we think that a black candidate or a woman candidate would hurt our ticket, why wouldn't it hurt theirs?


edit to add the url in the message so you can click it:

http://www.bushrice04.org/
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:08 PM
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1. It would hunt their ticket too much
They would never do it.
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alpizzy Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:13 PM
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2. Be careful...
The minute Oprah has Condi on for another puff piece we are in trouble.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:19 PM
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3. bah
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 02:22 PM by Langis
Edited not to offend anyone
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:24 PM
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4. They could never explain that this mean they weren't racist
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 02:25 PM by tom_paine
It would alienate their base too much.

After all, "that *****r b**ch" (as the Bushevik Base Voters would see it) would then be only a heartbeat away from the Emperor's Throne.

I couldn't see how the Busheviks could possibly pull that off politically. How would they give the "but we'll never actually let her sit on the throne" wink without giving themselves away?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:55 PM
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11. The Effort Was Designed to Fail
Cheap PR stunt to show everybody how "tolerant" they are. It'll get some buzz then fade away.
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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:29 PM
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25. I don't know about that
The site was created by RightNation.US - America’s #1 conservative online community.
http://www.bushrice04.org/index.php?id=2
http://www.rightnation.us/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:32 PM
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:34 PM
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6. I smell freeper!
Anyone else?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:37 PM
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7. Her "integrity" was on display repeatedly during the Iraq Invasion hype
She lied and lied and lied.

Hell, her disingenous and disgraceful lie regarding 9-11, where she said, "nobody ever thought the terrorist would do something like that..." was a joke.

In 1998, terrorists were foiled from crashing a passenger jet into the Eiffel Tower.

Tom Clancy Write a book describing this act in the 90s.

Hell, the CIA was going to run an exercise crashing a plane into the Pentagon on 9-11!

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

Bye bye, now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:40 PM
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:41 PM
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8. She didn't get that ship named after her for
protecting the environment! Or looking out for consumers.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:44 PM
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9. KIM Peterson? The Kimmer?
No way.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:57 PM
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12. Mr. Peterson, what do you think of Cheney?
welcome to DU, btw
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:50 PM
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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:03 PM
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13. Sigh....if i could only hop around parallel universes
It would be interesting to see the results after election day with this ticket...however every day after that should I be proven wrong would be living hell!

But the day after election day would show whether race as important to the conservative base as it was previously. I would bet it is, and I would see the Dem candidate winning in a landslide, however what if it wasn't?

We stereotype the Republican base as racist, non-thinking idiots - but underestimating your enemy is the most dangerous thing any warrior can do. Never assume anything - it only serves to make an ass out of u and me!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:10 PM
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14. Be careful what you wish for...
this is stronger than Bush/Cheney.

Cheney's health almost cost him his job before the inauguration. That it would be an excuse now is beside the point: it has the appearance of a valid reason.

A sad fact: a black woman on a Republican ticket would be a vote magnet. A black woman on a Democratic ticket, in this climate and with this media, wouldn't be.

Regardless of Rice's policies, a black woman on the ticket would give Bush the appearance of moderation. She has already proven herself to the right wing and its corporate masters, so there would be no balking from that base.

I've said it before here: remember the phrase "Only Nixon could go to China." So too, sadly, "Only Bush can run with a black woman."
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:22 PM
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16. I think that is very interesting.
And probably correct.

Why is that? Is it because black conservatives are generally moderate, but black liberals are fringe or extreme?

Shouldn't Carol Moseley-Braun be as good a candidate for us as Condi is for them?

This is very curious.
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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:54 PM
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17. Black Republican also running for U.S. Senate in Georgia
The Republicans also have a black conservative named Herman Cain running for the U.S. Senate in Georgia.

http://www.cainforussenate.org/home.asp

How come the Democrats don't have any major candidates running for the Senate seat in Georgia?

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:54 PM
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21. Hi Pondo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:15 PM
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19. It's sad, because you're right:
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 05:16 PM by Minstrel Boy
Moseley-Braun should be an excellent candidate for VP. But the Republican-dominated media would have a field day marginalizing her as "fringe" and dismissing the Democratic ticket with racist code words like "pandering to special interests."

It's a losing proposition for the Democratic Party until something like the Fairness Doctrine returns.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:34 PM
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20. No, Braun would totally corrupt the ticket,
her time in the Senate was marred with scandals and she got thrown out for a repuke in IL.

If she was on the ticket, we wouldnt be able to count on Illinois' 22 electoral votes.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:09 PM
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23. But how is it possible that the 'Pubs
can come up with legitimate mainstream "minority" (African-American, women) candidates, and we can't? I cannot believe that it is because we don't have them. It is something to do with perception, or media, or expectations or something like that.

I am leaning towards the theory that they are so much more viscious than we are, that they can tear down anybody we put up there, whereas we wouldn't (or maybe couldn't) do that.

Was Ferraro a liability to Mondale?
Could Hillary win?
Could Ron Brown have gone all the way (at least to VP)?
What happened to Andrew Young?
Is Feinstein a good candidate?
If Dean picked the Mayor of Atlanta (black/female) as his running mate, would he lose?

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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 08:59 PM
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30. Remember J.C. Watts?
Before he left congress wasn't he the third or fourth highest ranking Republican in the House? It seems as if blacks can rise up to the top ranks of the Republican party but not the Democratic party.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:56 PM
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18. Yeah, this scares the hell out of me. (nt)
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jhfenton Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:07 PM
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22. You're right
"Be careful what you wish for..."

You're right. Bush-Rice would be a stronger ticket than Bush-Cheney. Rice is very personable, comes off as honest, has no political past to be held against her, and has never admitted to having political ambitions.

And for what it's worth, Rice is very popular among the mostly Republican shooters I hang out with.
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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:16 PM
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24. She's received ggod press too.
Check out the write ups from CNN, the BBC and the Guardian. http://www.bushrice04.org/index.php?id=8

It's going to be hard to paint her as a right wing wacko when she gets press like this.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:14 PM
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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:41 PM
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26. They're setting up Rice to run against Hillary in 2008
Sounds as if teh Republicans want to start preparing Rice as their 2008 candidate against Clinton. Check it out.
http://www.bushrice04.org/index.php?id=4
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asadf Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:42 PM
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28. That will be hard to overcome
How will we beat them without looking like sexist racists?
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Pondo Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:00 PM
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29. Plus sh has a record of being strong on national defense
which always appeals to the Republican base. That in itself may be enough to get most (certainly not all) of the hard right to swallow the fact that she's a black woman.
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