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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:19 PM
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Interesting, CIA leaks meant to inform president shielded from the truth?
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 03:24 PM by MissMarple
http://csmonitor.com/2003/1112/dailyUpdate.html

I just ran across this in the Christian Science Monitor. So, Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al, are keeping the true situation in Iraq from their president? Just when you think you can't become anymore cynical...

"Knight-Ridder writes that the speed of the leak suggests that senior US policy makers want to make sure the assessment reaches President Bush. These officials say that the bleaker assessments of Iraq seldom reach the president, as they are deflected by Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and other hard-liners, who instead give much more optimistic reports."
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:23 PM
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1. wow, look at this quote:
"Knight-Ridder writes that the speed of the leak suggests that senior US policy makers want to make sure the assessment reaches President Bush. These officials say that the bleaker assessments of Iraq seldom reach the president, as they are deflected by Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and other hard-liners, who instead give much more optimistic reports."

Scary, huh? This is the problem with having an incompetent as president.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:28 PM
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2. Thanks for puting in the quote,
I was called away while posting and didn't get to add one.

And, yup, that was my assessment. Banal incompetance can be quite chilling.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:35 PM
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The problem with having a president who is not a student of history,
one who is not intellectually curious, is that those around him who have their own extreme agenda will usually prevail. Just look at what amost eleven such years since 1981 have wrought.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:35 PM
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3. Just as I thought.....
Absolute incompetence! But good at raising money...
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:40 PM
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4. Bush doesn't read the papers
They only give him the GOOD news....this is the Pollyanna President.
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JustinCredible Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:41 PM
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5. Or is it fear?
When the economic plans of Communist China were going awry, the leaders below him were too scared to tell Mao that his plans were failing.

I think thousands, if not millions died of starvation.

Scary, eh?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:43 PM
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6. this fraudministration is DEEPLY dysfunctional.
Cynical, venal ideologues who are competent only at PR, and that only because they own all the media.

Under Reagan, the neocons learned they could make shit up with impunity and the public would swallow it. This cancer of disinformation has spread to the point where they lie to themselves and believe their own lies! Amazing.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:39 PM
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13. They're ZEALOTS, insane in the membrane
ZEALOTS, our own Taleban IMO.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:45 PM
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7. Isn't that what ...
Saddam's people were doing to him? Misleading him into thinking he has WMD.

Fool me once ... oh never mind.

Cheers
Drifter
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:46 PM
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8. No Sympathy for Il Dunce n/t
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:09 PM
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9. What A Joke
Our poor dumb President, he did not know. He should try to read something then. Cover up for idiot in chief!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:12 PM
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10. Jeez, Dr. Strange-shrub, eh?
No wonder the guy's so delusional. I've always believed that he is a total incompetant. Totally unaware of history, culture, manners, protocol. He doesn't know how to act at official ceremonies. Caught part of a Veterans Day wreath laying thing. A soldier in dress blues slowly marched by him with a wreath and he reached out as if to grab it. Like they'd trust him with it.
Right up there with waving at Ray Charles.

'Mein fuhrer, I can walk!'
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:25 PM
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11. It's a great strategy . .
. . find some not too bright person that has some other quality that can be spun into populist appeal. Put them into high government office - and then reap the benefits for years.

Aside from GW, Reagan and Clarence Thomas come immediately to mind.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:30 PM
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12. it demonstrates the GOP's real contempt for the populace
some of which is deserved.

pane et circenses (bread & cricuses) has worked for 5000 years.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:53 PM
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14. The useful idiot
I think it was Trotski who came up with the idea. But that explains a lot about what is happening now. the "free speach zones" designed to keep * in the dark about the numbers and depth of the anti-war movement. Not going to any of the funerals and exposing him to any real anger. keep him in the dark and control what he hears...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:55 PM
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15. Cheney & Rummy know shrub is MEAN when he's drunk....
so they don't bother him with the problems of "this" world...remember now: "God" made Chimpy president. And Chimpy has to get into his altered state of consciousness so he can hear the rest of what God is saying to him.

He stumbles down from the mountain when needed by the adoring masses.

:wtf: What has our country become? This is a MESS!!!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:36 PM
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16. in the bunker, in the last months of WWII
advisors refused to share any bad news with Adolf Hitler.

He issued orders, right until the end, for military formations that had long ceased to exist.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:54 PM
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17. sounds like early Vietnam
with a big difference being that JFK read newspapers voraciously.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:07 PM
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18. To me the interesting thing about this is not Bush's ignorant incompetence
but rather the decision by the CIA not only to leak the report but also to leak the purpose for the leaking of the report. I think the CIA wants to damage the administration with these leaks.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:43 PM
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20. Excellent point, Snippy.
:D
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:08 PM
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19. I Remember the Story
"The Emperor's New Clothes" Is Knight-Ridder using the ENC defense?
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