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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:20 PM
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Why can't Americans escape to Canada if there's a draft?
When I was a kid, I hated Vietnam draft dodgers because I read about a few of them who became Quebec separatists a few years after fleeing to Canada (petty, I know...But I know better now.), but I'm hearing "no Canada if there's a draft".

Why?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:22 PM
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1. I think it was some agreement bush and Canada signed
In anticipation??????
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:22 PM
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2. I don't know the particulars but
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 06:22 PM by NicoleM
word on the street is that we now have an agreement with Canada that they will return anyone who goes there to avoid the draft.
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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:23 PM
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4. I will not be merciful to anyone who tries it.
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 06:24 PM by Some Moran
They will be safe in my land.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:47 AM
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23. Thanks Some Moran
I can't imagine anyone agreeing to go and
die for the cause of Halliburton's profits.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:11 AM
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27. I thought we had an agreement with Canada to return felons
to the US (I suppose it works both ways). But, I believe Canada will refuse to extridite if the death penalty is involved. And, if what the person is accused of is not a crime in Canada, does it count?
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:23 PM
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3. It won't be easy this time
I think they will close the borders and stop anyone from trying to escape - nothing like last time - this is a whole new ball game.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:25 PM
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5. Right, during Vietnam the Old American Republic was still free
We are a whole lot closer to Totalitarian Rule under the Busheviks.

It is going to be much more dangerous for those people who volunteer for the Underground Railroad.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:28 PM
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8. No, it might not be as simple as driving across
but everyone knows the border is fundamentally permeable. Always has been, always will be. There are hiking trails that cross the border, for starters. And there must be a thousand places where you can cross by boat. The question comes down to whether fugitive Americans will be willing or able to go underground in Canada, and for how long.
On another tack, there are lots of other countries around. Scotland and Italy, in particular, need people pretty badly.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:36 PM
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11. The border has a wide
treeless strip - man made area that can be seen from the air also - No cover if crossing during daylight. Yes, you can get across in many places, but as you say, it will be hard for the individuals to survive after they get there -
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:51 AM
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24. A brand spanking new Underground Railroad!
Hey, who in their right mind is going to put up with this draft nonsense. Remember Harriet Tubman got slaves up to Canada on the Underground Railroad, and I bet it's possible again today. Besides, the border patrol is certainly not looking for Americans sneaking over the border...

And if not Canada, how about Mexico?
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:30 AM
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30. Italy?
Fascist?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:25 PM
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6. It has to do with the new border agreement between the US and Canada
but I am not at all sure that it will effect those in the draft because the agreement has to do with terrorism not the draft. The question is: How would Canada interpret it and that I don't know.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:28 PM
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7. Can people still walk across the bridge at Niagara Falls
and just not cross back?

Maybe carry in their backpack, too?
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:35 PM
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9. National Repatriation
Amended rules for a general draft would enable the return of anyone leaving the U.S. for Canada.

I believe the Canadian government signed this agreement around 2000 or 2001?
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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:28 PM
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17. DAMN YOU PRIME MINISTER CRETIN!!!
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 07:29 PM by Some Moran
I have no idea you're one of them.
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:36 PM
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10. Here's one take on this
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_141.html
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:38 PM
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12. Expect AWOL to use the following laws to intimidate
those who would protest his war.

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > Sec. 2387. - Activities affecting armed forces generally

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > Sec. 2388. - Activities affecting armed forces during war
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:18 AM
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29. i believe that if shrub uses those articles...his cover is blown....
...this will give an open door to anyone investigating his deriliction of duty...the AWOL...a draft will definatly make this a front running issue...even if he is re-selected.....this will make headlines...once people learn where bush really was in 'nam, even hard core freepers will have to start looking at themselves in the mirror for their backing of a traitorous deserter. i have always believed that if the awol story ever made it to the major news outlets, it would be devastating to him. everybody hates a deserter.....
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Some Moran Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:17 AM
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33. They'll get around it...
They always do!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:40 PM
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13. If we come this time
be prepared for a British Columbia seperatists movement. (You guys aren't really using it anyway, are you?)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:46 PM
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14. Immigration rules are tight
Canada's not accepting refugees from the US - yet.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:41 PM
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21. Did you see where a gov. offical in Canada actually said that!!!??
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 10:42 PM by sleipnir
Crazy, now they even admit it!!! I'm getting more freaked out each day,
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:19 PM
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15. i am sure
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 07:20 PM by pansypoo53219
europe or australia will work.
or mexico
or central america
or south america.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:22 PM
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16. oooo - could be fun to set up an new Underground Railroad
Fear not DUers....if there is ever such a situation...I will let you hide out a my place.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:02 AM
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25. Me too
I'll have a spare bedroom available next fall, hope you like cats.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:31 AM
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31. I can put a few people up
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:53 PM
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18. Rumors we heard in 1972 weren't true,
at least in my experience. My buddy and I went to Montreal, crossing the border north on I-81 in NY. We had been 'told', that unless we could prove that we weren't draftable, we would not get in. I was 4-F by then, so I had my card ready, and Steve had a lottery number something like 320, so we didn't have to worry.

At the border, a Canadian official asked for my driver's licence only, not Steve's. He asked if we were in Canada fo business or pleasure. I said pleasure, he said 'Bon soir', and that was that; we drove on, grinning. But coming back we had to deal with US customs; rude as hell!!

But my point is, rumors may be just that: rumors.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 07:57 PM
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19. I would never and did not run to canada during the draft.
I had a very low number and enlisted in the United States Army.
Just my good luck i had enough of a hearing loss for uncle sam to say no thanks.

If I had been drafted, i would have refused to be inducted and served jail time. I do not run from fights, but that is a personal belief.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:34 PM
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20. Question: would you
wait until you get drafted, and then leave? I'm assuming then that you're an AWOL.

Maybe all young healthy men between the ages of 18 and 26 should start looking around now? Start taking some trips to different places, or look into the possibility of Scotland or Italy. I'm from Sweden, and they are looking for people (it's cold, though).

No life is worth oil and corporate profits. This is not a war about defense. Go.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:25 AM
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22. Psssst....Mexico.
The food down there is better anyway, and the women are prettier ;)
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:10 AM
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26. Of course...
Nothing is stopping said potential draftee from going to Canada now...
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:17 AM
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28. What about taking your kid to Canada?
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 01:17 AM by Isome
My son will be 17 y/o next year. If they make it clear that conscription is back in vogue, I should be able to take him, since he'd be under 18, with no problem? Right?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:14 AM
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32. Don't worry
Canada would take you all in. :D

The rest is all rumor and conjecture.
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