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helmeuth Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:22 PM
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Progressive, enlightened forum or self agrrandizing, myopic bubble?
I was banned from the DU forum because I dared discuss, in a polite yet thought-provoking way, the ideology and politics you all (and I mean all) adhere to with such unquestioned loyalty and blind enthusiasm. Rush fans have nothing on you "progressive" folks!

For a group so committed to their purported respect for diversity and free speech, I was astounded that I was silenced so quickly, and without explanation. Yes, I am fairly conservative compared to this crowd but more independant in my voting. Is that threatening? Will my comments burst your myopic bubble? Will I rain on your "we are so much smarter" parade? Does your fear of real discussion outweigh your arrogance? Its hard to believe so considering the following post but I'm at a loss to find any other reasonable explanation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=711444

I read and understood the DU forum rules, prior to posting, and it states with the diversity focused, extra-enlightened, embarrassingly-arrogant liberal lingo, that within the forums you "will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with." In an even broader stroke of enlightenment and exercise in courage, and in the spirit of truly challenging your highly evolved intellect, the rules further point out... "We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website." The glaring question is, how will anyone in this forum ever hear a point of view that you dont agree with if you are unwilling and unable to open the discussion to OTHER POINTS OF VIEW??

Another question comes to mind. What are the true "broad goals" of this website? Might I speculate that the sole purpose of this website is to: take your money, keep you ignorant and unchallenged in your feel-good, self righteous thoughts, and make you feel safe and cozy in your little "me too" bubble, surrounded on all sides by people... JUST LIKE YOU? Diversity you say?

There is no question that the purpose of you being here is to share your liberal ideas, meeting dates, hate campaign of the day etc. But why are you so drawn to a forum where diversity, dissention, and debate is outlawed? I thought liberals invented those traits (I think Al Gore said that). Do you learn anything here beyond the date of the next feel-good, issue-of-the-day rally? Is this only what you feel comfortable with or do you feel DU serves some other, more enlightened purpose? Perhaps you feel having a little liberal rec room all to your own, absent of true logical engagement, is healthy for your political conscience.

Surely you all can find forums that are open to truly diverse points of view. Surely you can take the collective liberal circle jerk into the public forum. Or are you hiding behind these ideologicial walls in fear because you find solace in your consolidated groupthink?

Just a thought but you might want to break out of the little "most righteous" bubble you live in and start thinking for yourselves. Its hardly surprising the right wing is gaining more and more influence in public office and in the hearts and minds of Americans. This forum, this shining example of enlightened, intellectual liberal discourse is nothing more than a frightened and uninspiring "me too" festival. Sheep? Yes, I think you have redefined that term here.

When you are ready, I invite you to join me and my fellow Americans in the truly meaningful discussion that is going on all around you.


Thank you

currently: helmeuth
formerly: grkda
...more coming soon, im sure



P.S. I would like to refer you to my previous posts but most were deleted by the "moderator". Hail free speech! There is, however, one remaining post that for some reason has not yet been dispatched with. Yes, its a shockingly disruptive post; dangerous to everyone who isnt able or comfortable using their heads for anything other than sucking a marlboro through!
Hail DU!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=700832
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:25 PM
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1. I don't feel for you
and I'd bet you're the one who's outside the mainstream
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:27 PM
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2. Hem hem
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:29 PM
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3. Myopic?
No.

Goodbye.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:29 PM
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4. I love self important whiners! You are the champ:-)
I don't know why you, such a self rightious person, was deleted, or banned, but perhaps you're just a nasty person?

Or perhaps a freeper?

Night night:-)
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:37 PM
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5. Locking.

Zombies are prohibited here.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:37 PM
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6. If you don't disrupt, you can stay.
But I wouldn't put any money on your sticking around.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:43 PM
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7. Then why are you here?
You must believe the audience is worth addressing, or you would not speak. I also am very unhappy with the censorship rules on this site... but i also recognize that people here are bombarded with the "other side" opinion you mention constantly all the time from "the neo-conservative media". What is wrong with a website supporting an opposition to neocon?

Must their propaganda be in my face from morning to sunset? DU censors have gone too far but i feel for their attempt to balance diverse opinion with free speech. If you want an unregulated free speech forum why dont you haul over to www.pravda.ru and write on the english speaking forum. There is no censorship at all, and you can read the real nutballs of the universe from anti-semitic's, white supremecist racists and republican americans who can't find a home on american boards.

This is a propaganda site. We, the writers are experimenting with propaganda and spin just like newspapers do... and it seems to me that some of the material here is of a class better than newspaper editorials supply as they are too heavily censored by their advertizers and corporate interests to actually be political.

I am not running for office, and that leaves me open to express radical points of view as a private citizen that a public candidate can not express for it will be used to blackball them by a corrupt media. I love challenging debate, but i really don't like hate and hate crime.... so if you really are a challenging debater, please forgive the censors for being overzealous, and join in the fray.

I support dennis kucinich as a model for what the democratic party should aspire to. I support the libertarian party in its mission to overthrow a criminal drugs war, and i support DU in its mission to rally support for overthrowing the criminal bush. By the intense media opinion repression in america, people are more likely to vent stronger emotions here, and this can sound a bit over the top (OTT).. but if you get to know the different writers, you can see that these folks are not stupid, just deeply frustrated at having a conscience and not seeing it reflected anywhere in the american state... sadly.
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