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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:59 AM
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'Progressives' might be wise to pay attention: FTAA and SOA protests
how the protesters are treated will be telling. How the media portrays the protests will be important.
I hope most progressives can offer some sort of solidarity to these people, at least in thought or word.

..& Watch out for the negative spin!

www.soawatch.org
www.ftaaimc.org
www.starhawk.org
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:03 AM
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1. won't matter G_j
If there's a week-long vigil, the media won't touch any part of the protest. If there's ANY incident, the news hounds will swoop in and make it about the anarchist violence.

We can hope that the countries in attendance will tell the US and WTO organizations where they can stick it.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:11 AM
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2. year after year
people (including nuns) are arrested and sent to federal prison for "crossing the line" at the SOA. The major media is usually nowhere to be seen.

However, the FTAA protests will no doubt get attention because of the easy target of young "anarchists" etc. Watch out also for "plants" dressed in black.
I hope some of us can at least help counter the propaganda within our own community.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:23 AM
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3. Local Miami media are "embedded" with the jackboots
Downtown Miami is fenced off, businesses shuttered by building owners locking down, citizens need security clearance to enter large areas there, armed Coast Guard boats by the dozens, police helicopters overhead, cops everywhere.

So far.. no action. Just a HUGE waste of our tax dollars.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:28 AM
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4. it seems
that when that sort of "security" is brought out, someone is usually getting too close to heart of the beast.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:52 PM
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13. Right to arraignment and a speedy trial has been suspended!
www.ftaa.org
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:38 AM
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5. The ACLU is going to have a 24 hour hotline
to help those that get into legal trouble.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 01:44 PM
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6. What puzzles me
is that most progressives want the SOA shut down. And at the same time, back a candidate that spoke at a SOA graduation and praised the graduates and the school.

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/usarsa/SPEECH/cgscspch.htm
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:00 PM
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7. Progressives Back Clark?
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 02:02 PM by durutti
Since when?

"Democrats" and "progressives" should not be used interchangeably. Most of the former aren't the latter, and most of the latter aren't the former.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:14 PM
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9. Many of the people
here at DU that support clark, claim they are both democrats and progressives.

Just ask them. They'll tell you.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 03:05 PM
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10. Yeah, let's ask them
O8)
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 03:16 PM
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11. I think it is quite telling
that nary a one of them have posted to this thread.

How would they spin clark praising the School of Americas as being either Democratic or progressive?
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snoochie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:02 PM
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16. Anti-FTAA or Anti-NAFTA or Anti-WTO threads are likely
to be ignored altogether by the supporters of a few of the candidates.

Cognitive dissonance, and all that.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:06 PM
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17. Cognitive dissonance
What a polite way to say they can not spin their candidate's history!
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:09 PM
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22. My guess would be
many are clueless as to what it is and what it has done.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:07 PM
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21. The extent of "progressive" likely means
being anti-Bush.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:11 PM
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23. Hmmm...
I have been reading that quite a number of repugs are not so keen on whistle ass now.
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:21 PM
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24. Pat Buchanan is Anti-Bush
Is he progressive?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:35 PM
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27. So, why is Buchanan anti-Bush?
Fill me in, I don't follow him. Has it got something to do with Buchanan being an isolationist? Bit of a Pope worshipping Catholic, libertarian leaning, anti-semitic nut case, isn't he?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:42 PM
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29. Buchanan is a classic old - fashioned conservative
Bush has followed more of the Neo-Conservative philosophy.
Since Buchanan is in no way connected to Government he is free to speak out. Old fashioned Conservatives in the House and Senate are following the leader at the moment.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:50 PM
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32. Like Goldwater?
Seen most recently on a devoted Clark supporter sig line.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:53 PM
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37. HELL no! Goldwater supported Gays in the military
"Look, you don't have to be straight to shoot straight" - B. Goldwater, on relaxing sanctions against Gays in the military.

Goldwater was probably the most "right thinking" of the old conservative types. His ilk has all but been drowned out by the scourge of America, the NeoCons.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:34 PM
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26. of course the SOA protests have taken
place under both Dem and Repug presidents. A friend of mine was arrested there during Clinton's last term and spent 6 months in prison.
The 'Close the SOA' movement has been traditionaly organized by Catholic activists. Others have joined them. I'm guessing "progressive" works here, at least in my mind.

There are certain issues that "progressives" seem to have to keep the pressure on regardless of which party is 'in power'. FTAA/WTO/World Bank/IMF policies are another, but there are many such "issues".
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:01 PM
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8. A Cool Thing...
American demonstrators will be protesting the FTAA at the same time UK demonstrators are protesting Bush.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:08 PM
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12. it should be interesting to watch
how citizens in the UK are treated (by the media, police, etc.) in comparison to US citizens in Miami.
I will venture to say it will be different. No doubt there will be many "lawless trouble-makers" in FL.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:56 PM
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14. The Root Cause March Began Today
Root Cause March for Justice Nov. 16-18
www.therootcause.org

Root Cause People’s March – Nov. 16-18, 2003
The Root Cause March will go south on US 1 from Nov. 16-18 from Oakland Park to the FTAA negotiations in downtown Miami. Feel free to join us at any point along the way!
(PLEASE NOTE: We will depart from US 1 for a short time – On Monday, Nov. 17., from 10:30 – 12:30PM, we will be marching on West. Dixie Highway, which is just a short
distance from US 1.)
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:57 PM
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15. More Links
Puppets:

www.mediamouse.org/ftaa

General
www.stopftaa.org

Root Cause March for Justice Nov. 16-18
www.therootcause.org

Teach-ins and other Miami events:
www.citizenstrade.org
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:07 PM
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18. great
thanks!

I know people who are there, I wish I could be also.
This is more important than many people are aware of.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:42 PM
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19. I agree, and blame lies again with our 'free press'
free to ignore everything that matters
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:51 PM
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20. NAFTA is unpopular with many
on the right as well as left. It's amazing more people aren't paying attention to the FTAA, which has been called, "NAFTA on steroids"
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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:23 PM
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25. People Would Pay Attention
That is, they would if the U.S. media weren't owned by the primary beneficiaries of NAFTA.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:35 PM
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28. Go Starhawk!
I may not agree with her on everything, but she's a hell of a woman.

It helps that "The Fifth Sacred Thing" was an amazing book.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:46 PM
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31. I'm not sure if she's mentioned it
at her website, but she will be trying to attend the SOA protest at Ft. Benning Ga., as well as the FTAA in Miami. She walks her talk, a truly dedicated activist indeed.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:42 PM
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30. I am watching...
One of our most active volunteers is there too. TY for the Clark/SOA link...I'll be forwarding it to a few people.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 09:02 PM
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33. kick
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 12:04 AM
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34. Thanks for the important post
Last week there were a few DUers defending SOA and attacking me for calling them a terrorist training school. I'm sure they supported the candidate mentioned above.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:01 PM
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36. The hell you say!
Defending SOA?!

This is IT. I have HAD IT.

Reading about all the perks like $8.5 million for Miami to deal with the protests tucked away in the funding bill our Senators so wimpishly refused to vote against, or even to go on record as voting FOR.

This is the end of our democracy, and it is BIPARTISAN.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:56 PM
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35. kick
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:14 PM
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38. KICK
:kick:
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