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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:27 PM
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Do you think the Queen knows that the Bush family has ties to the Nazis?
I wonder how she would feel if she found out. While the Queen Mum was in the bomb shelter and the rest of London was burning, Bush's grandfather was aiding Hitler during WW II.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:30 PM
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1. I'm sure she already knows......
the triumphant return of the Bletchley Park Boffins?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:48 PM
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8. aren't bush and the queen cousins?
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:26 PM
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13. Kissing Cousins?
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:31 PM
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2. So does the her family. Uncle Edward VIII.
Saturday, 29 June, 2002, 11:56 GMT 12:56 UK
New clues to Edward VIII's 'Nazi links'

The former king and the duchess were tailed by the FBI

An MP is trying to secure the release of official papers which might shed light on the alleged Nazi sympathies of King Edward VIII.
Louise Ellman, MP for Liverpool, Riverside, plans to table Commons questions to the Lord Chancellor's department following new revelations in The Guardian newspaper.

It suggests President Roosevelt ordered the FBI to carry out covert surveillance on the exiled former king and his wife, Wallace Simpson - the Duchess of Windsor, while they were holidaying in Florida in 1941.

The public has a right to know the truth of what happened in those crucial times of our history

Louise Ellman, MP
Intelligence suggested the duchess was passing secrets to a leading Nazi, with whom she was thought to have had an affair.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2074100.stm

Fear that Windsors would 'flit' to Germany
False alarm raised over belief that Mrs Simpson had Nazi sympathies

Owen Bowcott and Stephen Bates
Thursday January 30, 2003
The Guardian

The day King Edward VIII signed away his claim to the throne, detectives guarding Wallis Simpson's retreat in the South of France warned Downing Street she was planning to flee to Nazi Germany. The alarm, which eventually proved false, is one of relatively few references in the abdication papers, released to the public record office in Kew, which allude to suspicions that she might have sympathised, or even collaborated, with Hitler's regime.

In a handwritten note to the commissioner of the Metropolitan police on December 10, 1936, a Scotland Yard official confirmed he had instructed the two personal protection officers to remain with her at Cannes.

"The senior officer then said, what was understood from guarded language to be, that Mrs Simpson intended to 'flit' to Germany," the note records. "I informed Sir H. Wilson at once and have confirmed with the commissioner that there is no question of the officers moving without further orders."

For decades there has been speculation that Mrs Simpson had close links with the Nazis, or even conducted an affair with the German foreign minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop. A contemporary FBI report, released last year, claimed that Von Ribbentrop had earlier, when he was ambassador to London, sent Mrs Simpson 17 carnations representing the number of times they had slept together.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4594440-107971,00.html
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:32 PM
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3. The Queen needs to come out of the closet.
Am I correct in my perception that she has more esteem for George W. Bush than she did for Princess Di? Maybe the Queen would pull her head out of her ass if she had to spend a couple months driving a Humvee in Iraq.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:33 PM
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4. The Queen's family wasn't blameless in this either.
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 02:38 PM by Cleita
They are related through German royalty through the Hanovers and are part German. They changed their name to Windsor during WWI because they wanted to distance themselves from the German part of their heritage. The Duke of Edinborough and former King of England had a friendly relationship with Hitler, so I don't think the Queen will cast stones at Bush in regard to this.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:30 PM
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14. And the former Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor)
the same man that "gave up the throne for the woman he loved," was openly pro-Hitler.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:38 PM
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5. she knows about her dogs
It is not her job to know anything else. She is a "figurehead" only... and it does not matter what she thinks. Her body represents the british nation, and by sitting it near shrub, she imitates the closeness of 2 peoples... (as if by some perversion shrub's body represented anything but a war criminal).

Get on blairs case, but the queen has no choice but to submit to her role. Though i think the monarchy should be formally ended, like a very eloquent article recently by tony benn, as she is still in that role, let her be. It is a photo-op for the US press to reelect bush... that is what blair sold out... he is the scumbag.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 02:41 PM
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6. If you read theories of what's been going on in our world...
this monarchy, in particular this Queen, is part of the moneyed ruling elite who partner with the corporate and heritaged ruling rich of this country and a few other countries to gain and maintain control of the world. They are one in purpose. The theories seem to have a historical base. No links, I don't catalog. Just enter a few key words in a search engine.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:07 PM
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7. The queen is good pals with William Stamps Farish III
He's a close friend of the Bush family who is currently US ambassador to Great Britain. He and the queen share an interest in raising horses, and she's stayed at his horse farm in Kentucky several times while visiting the US.

His grandfather, William Stamps Farish Sr., was the head of Standard Oil who got into trouble for not only continuing to do business with the Nazis after the start of US involvement in World War II, but for supplying them with a patent for artificial rubber while withholding it from the US Navy. Other members of his and his wife's families also had strong fascist, right-wing, or German sympathies during that period.

The truth is that World War I was in large part a family quarrel, with the monarchs of many of the countries involved all being grandsons of Queen Victoria. World War II wasn't much different, even though most of the monarchies were gone. For the ruling classes, it was a struggle over control of resources, not over ideology.

The queen may be annoyed as hell at Bush for making her miss her favorite soap opera -- but I'm sure she doesn't hold his family's business connections against him for a moment.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:56 PM
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9. Please. The Queen and her family have more German blood in their
veins than British. The Family Name was Wittenburg before they changed it in WWI to Windsor to be politically correct.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:00 PM
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10. of course she knows
The Bushes and the British financial elite are connected through the ties that run from oil in Texas to oil in the Middle East. The article below will give you an idea of the Bush connections in UK:

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010718LittleBoCreep.html
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:06 PM
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11. when the Queen made her first official visit to Germany and reviewed
the troops. She walked down the queue saying "hello Uncle Fritz," "Hi Uncle Hermann" etc
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:09 PM
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12. Just a little historic recall
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 06:09 PM by BonjourUSA
Before the USA was on war, they had "normal" economical relationships and trade with the Nazis.
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