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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:48 PM
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The goodwill America earned on 9/11 was illusory. Get over it!
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:22 PM by elad
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101031117-538977,00.html
To Hell With Sympathy
The goodwill America earned on 9/11 was illusory. Get over it

What happened in those intervening few months? Is not the core Democratic complaint that it was overreaching in Iraq that caused the world to turn against us? And yet barely had we buried our 9/11 dead — long before we entered Baghdad — when the French, and the rest of the world, decided that they were not really Americans after all and were back to vilifying American arrogance, unilateralism, hegemony and so on.

-snip-



Letter to the editor---> http://www.time.com/time/letters/email_letter.html


EDITED BY ADMIN FOR COPYRIGHT REASONS
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:54 PM
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1. not true..speaking as an Australian
I can assure you that I and every person I spoke to after 9/11 felt for the USA. There was definitely a feeling of collective pain.
That has disapaited since the Iraq invasion and we have to keep reminding ourselves that it's the Washington administration that is responsible for the fiasco which we participated in and which our leaders lied about also.

Now I think we feel even greater solidarity with Americans..in that we want rid of Bush & Co as well.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 04:58 PM
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2. Exactly,
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 04:59 PM by Liberal_Guerilla
It was not just Americans who died on 9/11. but people from all walks of life and every country imaginable. Thus the whole world was affected, not just the U.S. . And the whole world was with us until Bush slung his cowboy bullshit bravado around. Now we are despised for his arrogance and incompetence.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:01 PM
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3. Compromise...
There may be some truth in that article, but I don't think it's the whole truth. I did some traveling overseas years ago, and I found most of the people I encountered very friendly - in Mexico, London and Africa.

But even I was shocked by Bush's reaction to 9/11. I can't understand how it could not have earned us many more enemies around the world.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:03 PM
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5. selective truth is not the truth.
picking and choosing your reality is not reality.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:09 PM
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8. Who's picking and choosing their reality?
Just about everyone I've talked to agrees that the World Trade Center really was destroyed on September 11 - that's a fact. And most folks I know are truly disgusted by George W. Bush's exploitation of the tragedy - Fact #2.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:16 PM
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9. The author is picking and choosing his reality
to promote his political agenda.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:20 PM
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10. Oh, I see; I misunderstood your post.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:02 PM
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4. The author is Krauthammer
n/t needed
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:08 PM
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6. oh, haha, thanks -no story here-NEXT!
N/T
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Dimsdale Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:18 PM
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11. Krauthammer, Charen, Goldberg...
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 06:18 PM by Dimsdale
all the same to me. Apparently, these assholes have been effectively marketed to print media, such as The Philadelphia Inquirer. At one time, I made the effort to read them, became justifiably pissed off and posted here in an effort to vent my contempt. Now, fuck it. It's a waste of time and energy to read their shit.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:09 PM
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7. I agree with Jonoboy from Australia....in Canada we turned out 100,000
strong on Parliament Hill, in a spontaneous display of solidarity for the U.S.A. on 9/11....We sent help in many forms and there was a feeling of love and compassion for our neighbours....The feeling still exists for our neighbours, it's only George Bush & company we don't like....By the way the author of this arcticle is Charles Krauthammer who from what I've seen is an arrogant, dogmatic right wing jerk!....:loveya:
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:23 PM
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12. *ahem*
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 06:24 PM by lcordero
*cough*
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

On edit: can you say "reichstag fires"?

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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:36 PM
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15. Whoa, a must read.
By the BBC's George Arney
Tuesday, 18 September, 2001, 11:27 GMT 12:27 UK
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.

Mr Naik told the BBC that at the meeting the US representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Omar.

The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.

Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in Tajikistan, where American advisers were already in place.


He was told that Uzbekistan would also participate in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby.

Mr Naik was told that if the military action went ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.

He said that he was in no doubt that after the World Trade Center bombings this pre-existing US plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks.

And he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taleban.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:26 PM
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13. great.. now he insults the people that actually stood by us
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 06:46 PM by Kamika
The republicans need to go to a charm school or something.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:32 PM
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14. I don't think so...
...our true allies will be there when we really need them. That hasn't happened yet.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 07:43 PM
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16. What a sad world he must live in
Everone is always out to get us, minorites are "claiming" victims to get more money/power/sympathy, the world never really liked us liked us.

Krauthammer wouldn't know anything real if it bit him on the ass.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:11 PM
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17. I couldn't agree more.
What is it with these neo-cons always trying to paint themselves as victims? When in fact it is they who are the victimizers. 9/11 was the fruit of long standing republican foreign policy, for which not even Clinton could clean up the mess from.

And now the damage that Bush has done is irreperable and will last decades if not centuries.
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