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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:23 PM
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Worldwide Islamist Insurgencies On Warpath?
Am I paranoid or does it seem like international Islamists all over the world are suddenly coming out of the woodwork? Honestly, I watch the news a lot, and I can't ever remember all of these Islamist insurgencies/hotspots suddenly going into the red all at once like they appear to be now.

Is there a pattern forming here? Are we now seeing negative results starting to show themselves worldwide due to Team Bush's backfiring, incompetent, self-defeating foreign policy strategy?

1. Iraq
Baathist insurgency now it is said. But did we soften up Iraq making it vulnerable to Islamists soon? Are they already there?

2. Afghanistan
Re-Talibanizing.

3. Georgia
On verge of civil war.

4. Turkey
Truck bombs last week.

5. Indonesia
Al Qaeda terrorism.

6. India (Kashmir)
Resurgent insurgency.

7. Saudi Arabia
Al Qaeda suicide bombings (two major incidents)

8. Israel
Nuff said.

I'm starting to sense signs that Bush and his knee-jerk neo-toads have created a worldwide crisis. Islamist radicals everywhere have to be encouraged by Bush's latest "you shoot and by golly we'll just leave" message. They are also probably madder now. What a mess!

OK. I'm not an expert on radical Islam nor do I play one on TV. Help me out here.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:29 PM
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1. How could Muslims, Arabas and Mideasterners NOT rally against Bush?
What I'm wondering is when another major group or nation will be sucked into the melee. It appears that the two Blackhawk helicopters we recently lost were shot down by Kurds. But is it possible that the next major terrorist attack on American soil will engineered by Venezuelans or Norwegians?

God knows, George W. Bush has an awesome talent for making enemies.

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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:39 PM
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4. is it possible that these things are just getting more coverage...
...because the powers-that-be want to promote the idea that this is a dangerous world and the enemy is the muslim world?

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:29 PM
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2. You are right
in your rationalizations. Now that we have bombed Iraq, the entire world is pissed off. I can't find a link, but a well respected London based defense policy group released a report saying that due to the bilateral attack on Iraq by the UK and America, the ranks of Al Qaeda have filled up to numbers they have never seen before.

If anything, now that they have new recruits, they are probably either in the training stages or are just waiting.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:32 PM
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3. Well, it's a crude comparison, but
it's sort of like what's happened with Christianity in this country. A fundamentalist minority with a yen for theocracy has organized, strategized, and acted with a considerable degree of success. Seems to me that the fundamentalist Muslims similarly attempt to dominate the faith. They have similar theocratic objectives, but the difference(?) is that they have absolutely no scruples about using violence or shedding innocent blood along the way.
If it seems like they're all acting up at once, it's because technologies such as air flight, the internet, radio, cryptography, etc. have made it very much easier for them to communicate and meet.
If both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists are not opposed by moderate, peaceful people, then it does look as if we're heading toward some kind of global rematch of the Crusades. In which case, Christians will be toast.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 05:47 PM
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5. Just one of those things that happens when you start a Crusade


go figure...
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:11 PM
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6. It's a complicated issue
and one that deserves better analysis than it gets in the corporate media. I hate the term "Islamist" and the way such terms get tossed around on Fox News. I still don't know what al Qa'eda *is* -- I've not heard any consistent rational analysis, and I've come to the conclusion that it's an Emmanuel Goldstein -- so that sort of thing doesn't fly with me either.

In many countries, religion is a strong force, including the United States. However, in countries where other forms of civil society have been eroded, either from poverty, decades of war or structural violence, installed dictators or local despots, or other circumstances, religion can be a powerful force that fills the void. If you are supposed to hate the Muslims, then it's Islamism or fundamentalism. If we're supposed to hate the other guys more, eg. Soviet Union in Afghanistan, then it's a form of resistance. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to, the blood still runs red.

It might come as a surprise, but just as some people use Christianity in the USA as a platform for good works, so do people all around the world use Islam. We just hear about the extremist uses of religion (or the made-up magical morphin' al Qa'eda uses of religion), for obvious reasons.

Also, the examples listed above are situations where current violence is the outcome of predictable circumstances playing out over long periods of time. It's really not as though violence magically erupted overnight in India or Georgia. As for a pattern, there's always a pattern of people getting slaughtered for religion, ideology, resources, etc. There's a pattern of holocaust in Africa right now, and that's the outcome of different but still predictable circumstances. The world turns on. The blood flows. It's more politically useful to make it out to be the mysterious scary Muslim threat to humanity. Just some thoughts.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:12 PM
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7. I think it's mostly al quaida
I just read the Turkey bombing was Al quaida aswell..

And why not? Bush rather bomb Iraq to oblivion then fix Al quaida
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 06:35 PM
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8. The Industrial-Military complex doesn't work without a viable enemy.
That's why pResdient Evil's every second word is 'terrah-ist'. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, there were no 'bad guys' for the IMC to focus on, and to justify huge budgets and hush-hush government cronyism. The catch-all, never-ending 'war on terror' and the blanket Terrorist label is perfect for these evil bastards. Keeps the sheeple cowed, and questioning of the administration to a minimum. Terrorists have always been around (I grew up in Northern Ireland). Sure, they're more pissed now, but the same lack of money, organization that they always had. Compare the number of people who have died in terrorist attacks, vs. so-called 'legitimate' wars and UN sanctions (pushed by the US) as in Iraq.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:41 PM
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9. Well how serious do Americans think JIHAAD is, anyway?
Do we think they were just kidding?

Why is it America tends to think everybody else's lifestyle except theirs is a joke of some kind?


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