It's probably a cruel wish to relish the thought of 20ish young, white men from wealthy families who are hard right Republicans being packed up and shipped off to fight in all the wars they have cheered on from the comfort of their frat houses. Still, I and I'm sure many others here have had this sadistic fantasy of these young chickenhawks being packed off kicking and screaming to fight in their Emperor's wars even as they protest, "but, but I have a pimple on my ass", or "I'm too fat," or "my father gave a lot of money to the Bush campaign!"

No, it's probably not right to fantasize about rich Republicans being drafted to fight in all the wars they have cheered on for years now, mostly because the reality is that no matter how hard we try there simply is no such thing as an equitable military draft in the United States. Rich people by nature are better connected, better educated and better able to manipulate institutions to their advantage, meaning that a military draft would never threaten their way of life. This is why Charlie Rangel is hopelessly wrong when he claims that his draft bill pending in Congress will somehow foster shared sacrifice from all economic classes. WRONG. Won't happen. So any fantasies we may have about packing up fat little dittoheads in suburban Houston for the front lines of combat should remain just that--fantasies.

of the draft, but I have no problem asking young Bush supporters why they haven't signed up for his grand crusade. It hasn't happened much since I live in an area that has more people voting Green than Repug. :-)

MzPip
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with flags fluttering from every crevise...especially the ones with full-size flags, also the ones which say "These colors don't run". Just a bunch of castrated roosters...send them off to be the men they think they are.

with sending any loud mouth off. So long a said mouth enlists voluntarily. I entered the service in the mid-70s, and had a couple draftees who re-enlisted as I went through schooling.

By the time I retired, using a conscript who is in for just two years isn't realistic any longer. It takes between three and five years to train most jobs to where the person is fully trained.

Cannon fodder was wonderful for Napoleon, Bismark, and Guderian. Or, for that matter, Wellington, Pershing, and Eisenhower. In today's force, it just doesn't work.

The only problem I see is to get the idiots into boots in the first place. Maybe we should change the laws back to where the judge gives a offender the choice between 10 years prison or six years in the military. Get some of those frat boy DUIs or Date Rapes into uniform, and then serve.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

To each his own, I guess.

Enjoy. :evilgrin:

Hell even that bird picture was exciting.... :P

Me 2

And if their children share the same ideology I say sign on the dotted line for military service in the neocon/fascist plan for American world wide domination. Yes, these morons can die for Halliburton, and let those of US with brains demur.

I wouldn't want to be ageist about this ...

just those young right-wing "thugs" from the florida presidential election fiasco

about sending young man off to their deaths. No matter who they are. There are rich Democrats and poor Republicans.

except maybe Chucklenuts. Now he deserves to be sent to war.

My husband is 6 days away from coming home on leave and I learn he's been hospitalised with a disease caused by fecal matter in the water supply, only to be released and 2 days later to have his driver find the only trench in the desert and land in it. Now my middle-aged hubby with bad knees has swollen and busted up knees. Oh, he's still coming home....thankfully....but anything can kill you over there...why wish that on anyone('cept Shrub)....

O8)Your husband's physical condition sounds like my guy...and I can't endure the thought of him being over there...I'm glad he's in the other room listening to New England vs. Texas.

May your husband arrive safely...may you live a long happy life together.

This war

SUCKS!!!

All war is hell....but especially ones built on lies.

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but they'd delete the post.

namely my children........I don't want the draft back in any way...I will leave the country and take my adult children with me if the draft is reinstated......My children will not fight george w's war. I can get no pleasure from this.

Line-up you little sniveling right wing cocksuckers!:argh:

I wouldnt want them bringing down the quality of our military.

That and I'm totally against the draft, but I wish more people would atleast join up for the NG or Reserves for a few years.

either as many of those units are deployed or being deployed in the near future. That being the case most Guard/Reserve units will have stop loss requirements placed on them to prevent folks from transfering out or getting out of the Guard/Reserves 90days or so prior to notificatin of pending mobilization to support Shrubs Globabl War on Terrorism....Bottom line, not many Guard or Reserve units will not be used in conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, Philippines etc.....

I fantasize about my repuke cousin's son who is starting college and my fantasy is him becoming radicalized with the threat of being drafted hanging over his head. I also like to wonder how strong my repuke cousin's allegence toward the repuke party goes if it could mean her son could end up being drafted. It has been easy for her to be a repuke when the Democrats were there to stop the excesses, things that she was taking for granted like freedom of choice for her 20 year old daughter, a clean environment and her son not being subject to a draft. I don't want to see him actually being drafted but I would like to see how of if the threat of it would effect that family's politics.

draft age son myself and I worry about keeping him out of harm's way. We're not rich so he'd be among the first to be sent. Believe me, the wealthy always find a way to game the system...look what they've done to democracy.

It will be our sons who will be cannon fodder, not the Pickerings and Lotts of the world.

I fantasize about sending OLD Chickenhawks... like the ones pimping the war on TV.

you really want one of them with you? Think not. Prefer no draft.

I would wager that many present republican young men will eventually become enlightened and switch parties.

But, SHIT, even German soldiers in World War I shared meals with AMerican GIs.

I don't want any more lives fed to any president's meatgrinder.

are far more likely to be liberals opposed to the war, don't you think? Most college campuses I've visited have been bastions of Democratic voters.

My son, attending Skidmore College, is a vocal Dean activist and he tells me that the local Republican party has been trying to deny students living in off-campus dorms the right to vote in the campus district. The students (almost all Democrats) raised a huge fuss.

So no, you're not going to find many chickenhawks on college campuses.

Look to the pickup-drivers with the American flags pasted all over their bumpers. They're the ones who couldn't wait to watch us bomb Iraq.

...and I think/hope they get subjected to the draft. It's the least that should happen to them.

When you make your bed, you should sleep in it, not someone else...

I'm 26 and I know things haven't changed that much since I've been out of school. Most of my friends were liberal, middle of the road (not likely swayed by this war), or apolitical. I came from an upper-middle class upbringing, as did most of my high school friends and college classmates. I know very few "wealthy" people, between the ages of 18-26 at least, that agree with this war or would vote for Bush. Most chickenhawks that I know are (sorry, this may offend some) country music listening (of the Toby Keith variety), pickup driving, flag waving, rednecks. There aren't too many uber rich pukes around these parts. This is the case in western PA at least.

...then you'll REALLY be worried:
http://markbyron.typepad.com/main/2003/11/the_usefulness__1.html
WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about 200 CLF commandos stormed the Supreme Court building, killing 35 people, including five Supreme Court Justices. At the same time, a contingent of 1,000 CLF paramilitaries attacked the Hart Senate Office Building, where a Senate Democratic Caucus meeting was being held. Approximately 50 people were killed in the attack. Once the commandos had seized the building, they systematically killed Democratic senators from states with Republican governors. Here is a list of the 21 senators killed

Daniel Akaka
Byron Dorgan
Mary Landrieu
John Breaux
Bob Graham
Blanche Lincoln
Hillary Clinton
Ernest Hollings
Barbara Mikulski
Kent Conrad
Daniel Inouyye
David Pryor
Tom Daschle
Tim Johnson
Harry Reid
Mark Dayton
Ted Kennedy
Paul Sarbanes
Chris Dodd
John Kerry
Chuch Schumer

Joe Lieberman was campaigning in South Carolina, and missed the assassins. The attackers turned themselves in to police, and are proudly confessing their crimes, cooperating with authorities. {Emphasis added -- JHB}

If the governors appoint Republican replacements, there will be 72 Republicans in the US Senate until replacement elections can be held. Even if a few Democrats are named, there will be likely at least 60 votes to vote for cloture and appoint replacements for the slain Supreme Court justices, changing the balance of power on the court.

He's not advocating this, mind you....just thinking dark thoughts out loud. I wonder if Ashcroft is as trusting (assuming it's not him under a pseudonym, that is).

Additional commentary by/with Pandragon can be found at:
http://www.pandagon.net/archives/00001992.htm

where you get to do that. When you buy the game you can specify whether you want to kill republicans or democrats and go at it accordingly.

kicking the Bush cabal out of an aircraft over Iraq and watching Al Jazeera covering the trial held by an Iraqi citizens tribunal.

The time: Late 1960's. I sit on a draft board, and in front of me is a young man named Richard Cheney, who is arguing for his fifth draft deffernment. He tells me about his schooling, his ingrown nail, his acne problem, his aching big toe, and his other priorities rather than military service.

I quietly listen to his story, then fold my hands and lean toward him, locking my eyes with his. I then say:

"You get your fat, bald ass packed and reported to your commanding officer by 7am tomorrow or your next priority will be breaking rocks at Levinworth prison. Are we clear?"

Dreeeeeeam..dream dream dreeeeam.....

chickenhawks and their families should be the first and only to go in these elective wars they support so much vocally and with their votes.

I dont see anyway around it- Those who wish for war, and those who "support" Bush should lbe the 1st in line to fight.

before I graduated college a buch of young chickenhawks held a "Pro-War" rally- they were laughing and cutting up the whole time- having a ball they were!!!

THOSE guys SHOULD serve- they promote war, so they should fight war.

Dont feel bad about your feelings- they are rooted in logic and justice...

These people promote this fascist shit, then they had damn well better prove it by serving.

point blank, with a pistol, while looking into their eyes, as their children watched.

If you can do that, well, you pass the test. Bomb away!

A lot of folks supprted this war, but they supported it under the condition that "those other people" are the ones under fire, and not them. I think that is morally wrong.

The thing about the kids goes to far- I mean even Nazi & Japanese troops in WWII had kids- the difference is in WWII, almost everyone DID fight or get drafted...

I have sometimes shared a certain frustration (that I think you're expressing here) about the way these war cheerleaders who are completely insulated from any ill effects of war are so morbidly fascinated by the concept of warfare. I think that would be cured really quickly if they ever got a close-up look at what war really is.

Anyhow, most of those type of people seem (because of their privileged upbringing) like they'd be utterly incapable of coping with that type of situation, with what happens on a real battlefield, so I think it's kinda pointless.

On Don ANUS today, he said he didn't watch G.E.RUSSERT yesterday because one of his sons was playing Hamlet AND Tweety was the Ghost------------that would be the role SHAKESPEARE played. 'course, some Tweety fans here---------even YET---------love Tweety.

Tweety SUCKS really bad. I hate his guts.

I'm 20 and not so keen on getting my own ass drafted to go fight Bush's wars, so I'd quite rather avoid a draft entirely.

-CollegeDude
Thanks in advance, Congress

And I look forward to their impressive excuses for not being eligible.

Chiefly because wishing for deaths to advance a political cause is just plain sick.

Confronting them, however, with the "Why haven't you enlisted" line is, however, perfectly acceptable.

but I see your point.

Not the first time........

Since we are fantasizing, I guess it can be (it's MY fantasy, damnit!).

You are absolutely correct about the reality of the situation, though.

For some reason I find that really funny. I would hate to see the draft because I have a 14 yr old son coming up. I saw the old draft and it sucked because only us poor and disadvantaged guys got it. Anyone with money or important parents walked.