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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 08:55 PM
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High School Students Should Be Required to Take Civics Classes
Many students do not know anything about our government.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 08:59 PM
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1. I had to in high school!
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 08:59 PM by wyldwolf
Early 80s.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:17 PM
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19. In PA we had to take Civics and Current Events during the 50's and 60's
What happened to that requirement?
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Colin Ex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:01 PM
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2. And..?
Most high school students take government and economics classes. Many schools inform them of selective service, teach them to fill out a 1040, and register them to vote.

Most adults don't know anything about our government, either. What do you propose to do about them?

-C
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:03 PM
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3. I had it in high school as a requirement in 1984. As I recall
many failed and many had to retake the class as seniors. I do not believe they did a proper job. I got most of my education in the 90's, well after high school. I think some of the government teachers need to learn that government goes beyond the system of checks and balances.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:06 PM
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4. Of course they should. Do they now? All my grades from 5 to 9 included
those kinds of courses in the 1950s. Dunno what they have these days,
underwater basket weaving, probably.
:eyes:
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:09 PM
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5. Civics WAS a requirement of my graduation - when did it stop?
Gawd am I THAT old?

Let me also add, in my perfect world, fluency (not just barely passing one class) in at least one foreign language would be a prerequesite of high school graduation.

OK, flame away....



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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:13 PM
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6. I agree!
"fluency (not just barely passing one class) in at least one foreign language would be a prerequesite of high school graduation." It reminds me of that old joke, "What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual. What do you call someone who speaks one language? American."
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:27 PM
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7. State of LA requires it still...
I had to take it to graduate. Easy A for me and was probably the best high school class I ever took.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:31 PM
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8. I had quite a bit of trouble with French in High School
Finished in the C+/B- category. I don't think students should be REQUIRED to speak a second language fluently because...

1) At the age kids start learning foreign languages at now it would be damn near impossible for many kids.

2) If foreign language was taught at an earlier age, it would still be damn near impossible for some kids.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 09:37 PM
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9. They should also require art, music, P.E., science lab, woodshop...
To bad older generations, who took the civics classes, decided that they would rather not have an extra three dollars on their property taxes than adequately funded schools.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 10:36 PM
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10. My High School Civics Class was a Dead Loss
Taught by a rabid right-wing froot loop (a paid-up member of the John Birch Society, if any of you remember what that was). All I got out of it was that this guy believed J. Edgar Hoover was all three branches of the government.

Come to think of it, maybe he *was*.

:puke:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 06:46 PM
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13. Ha!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 10:37 PM
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11. Do you have "Social Studies" in the states?
It's like history, geography, and civics all mixed into one...usually a double block class.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 06:57 PM
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15. I had 3 years of 'social studies' in junior high in OK in the 50s
A great book we were encouraged to buy was Our Rugged Constitution (you can still find it in used book stores). It analyzed the constitution article by article on a 'you give - you get' pattern.

It was not written in a simplistic, baby style but it was also not written at a college level.

The problem with my classes and all civics/govt classes is that you get the ideal way a bill is passed, etc., nothing about the reality of wheeling and dealing.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 09:31 AM
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12. Agreed. And critical thinking of American and World history.
Heck, critical thinking in general. So the kids don't grow up to be robots and parrots of the Party Line or apathetic slaves.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 06:48 PM
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14. YES.
My high school didn't even HAVE a civics class. The only reason I know anything about how the government works is because I'm a politics and government nerd.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:04 PM
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16. HELL, YES!!!!!
And not some easy slide course taught by a coach, either!! REAL poltical science, required for graduation, no exceptions.

And college, as well!! When I was a college soph, in 1968, we would get off on a political argument in class, whether it was in Speech, PolySci, or other social sciences. The profs often gave up trying to get to his or her own material, and just let us rant. Nowadays it's really, really different.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:06 PM
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17. Civics was required for all students in Michigan in the 1990's
I'm not sure if it still is.
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MIScott87 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:20 PM
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18. We still are.
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