"people with normal sexual orientation are introduced to homosexuality"

http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=10522&sd=11/18/03

The Russian Orthodox Church announced Monday that it is suspending ties with the U.S. Episcopal Church over its consecration of an openly gay bishop, saying that homosexuality is a sin and that it "cannot condone the perversion of human nature."

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The Russian Orthodox Church, which is dominant in Russia and has flocks in other former Soviet republics, also criticized the Episcopal Church USA over a vote last summer allowing local dioceses to continue deciding for themselves about holding blessing ceremonies for same-sex couples. "All this leads to a terrible consequence: people with normal sexual orientation are introduced to homosexuality," the statement said.

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

You cannot turn a straight person gay. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever showing this to be possible. (On a side note, you can't turn a gay person straight no matter how much the ex-gay's think you can.)

Religious leaders need to be brought into the 21st century (OK, I'll settle for the 20th) and given a clear understanding of how homosexuality works and how gay marriage embraces scripture, rather than defying it.

They're treating homosexuality like some wonder drug, try it and you're hooked for life!

Too bad all the research that has ever been done has said just the opposite, that stright men who may have had some experimentation in their early teens never return to it in later life.

But then again, religion seldom tells the truth about sexuality, does it?

I seem to remember something about the two guys who founded one of those "ministries" falling in love - with each other - and quitting the group.

One of the co-founders was seen exiting a know DC gay bar after his "conversion".

He claimed he was there to try to talk gay people out of the "lifestyle" at the time, but I think we all know how desperate a lie that really is. I do believe he did quit the group and now travel speaking of the evils of the "ex-gay" ministries, telling everyone that will listen that these things are bad news and don't work.

Let me get this. Men in dresses are commenting on the ...

Uh, let me see. Religions. People who aren't allowed to
have sex (Catholics) because its ...

People who deliberately wear dresses...

Never mind.

goodly part of time.

Men will fukc mud... this doesn't preclude each other, by any means.

and yes people are always so surprised when they find their tastes are broader than they thought.
all churches need to be brought into the 21st century when it comes to sex and sexuality.

sexual tastes is like having a taste for heroin.
puh--leez.

Yes you can. Look at prisons or any other situation where men are isolated together for long periods of time. I would also suggest that molestation during life periods where humans are susceptible to imprinting can contribute to sexual orientation.

All politics aside, there are environmental factors that contribute to sexual orientation.

behavior.

I contend that the men in prison who engage in homosexual activity were bisexual before they ever got there.

They are either participating in gay sex involuntarily or to avoid getting beat up/killed, or they are violent men who need someone to dominate. This is not about realizing and accepting that one is gay, it is about engaging in homosexual acts either because it is necessary for survival or because the man in question just wants a hole to put it in, and isn't particular about the gender of that hole.

That said, I am sick of the fake outrage over homosexuality. We're not stoning rape victims who don't scream, which is also an abomination before the Lord, although it seems at least some palestineans still kill their daughters when they are raped. The old testament God is pissy and has a whole bunch of rules we don't adhere to anymore.

It's about power and domination.

I think men in prison are men who have been deprived of sex for a long, long time and will fuck anything that moves. We're wired like that.

I'd like to see studies on it though.

Or maybe I'll just throw on a clerical collar, make unsupported assertions, and have people believe it because I claim to speak for God.

most people are bi-sexual.
and most of it is experimentation in younger years -- but as long we're not talking dangerous extremes -- most peoples sexual orientation is probably a little broader than they think -- but shutting off cultural noise in the head can make it difficult to absorb for the Self.

At best, there may be a susceptibility to environmental factors that wouldn't affect a "straight" person.

Except for a very small number of evangelical psychotherapists (belonging to NARTH), the truly vast number of mental health professionals dispute your "opinion" that sexual orientation is alterable. They're convinced that sexuality is an orientation not a preference, which most believe is established before birth.

If you don't agree with the following four statements, then you are in a major dispute with the Amercian Psychiatric and Psychological Associations.

"There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of 'reparative therapy' as a treatment to change one's sexual orientation. It is not described in the scientific literature, nor is it mentioned in the APA's latest comprehensive Task Force Report, Treatments of Psychiatric Disorders (1989)." from the American Psychiatric Association

" There is no evidence that any treatment can change a homosexual person's deep-seated sexual feelings for others of the same sex." from the American Psychiatric Association

". . . some individuals may seek to change their sexual orientation or that of another individual (for example, parents seeking therapy for their child). Some therapists who undertake this kind of therapy report that they have changed their clients' sexual orientation (from homosexual to heterosexual) in treatment. Close scrutiny of their reports indicates several factors that cast doubt: Many of the claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective on sexual orientation, rather than from mental health researchers; the treatments and their outcomes are poorly documented; and the length of time that clients are followed up on after treatment is too short." from the American Psychological Association

"For nearly three decades, it has been known that homosexuality is not a mental illness. Medical and mental health professionals also now know that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be altered. Groups who try to change the sexual orientation of people through so-called 'conversion therapy' are misguided and run the risk of causing a great deal of psychological harm to those they say they are trying to help." from the American Psychological Association

You can find these statements and more at the following link:
http://www.hrc.org/publications/exgay_ministries/change.asp

I have also read where a malpractice suit can be brought against people attempting to change one's sexual orientation, but I can't verify this.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

We can't allow gays around our kids , or anyone for that matter, by their logic, homosexuality is so overwhelmingly cool, such a total feel good thing, so irresistable in its overall being, that just buggering a "normal, straight" guy "turns him gay"

Their logic when followed to conclusion is that heterosexuality is a regressive practice, and the first whiff of homosexuality just makes everyone convert in droves.

Then there's the assumption pederasts and pedophiliacs are all homosexuals....but that's another post..

Straight men can have homsexual sex and a gay man can have heterosexual sex. So what? A homosexual can say he's straight and a heterosexual man can say he's gay. So what?

The bottom line is that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality or with being gay.

...my friend.

I was living my life as a straight person for most of my life, yet I knew I was incomplete.

It wasn't until after I broke up with my male partner that I started to pursue a lesbian relationship. I knew inside me that I had to find out once and for all, if I was infact a lesbian.

Well I pursued it, and I now know, I was born a lesbian. I was living a lie, living my life as a straight woman, and the sooner the religious right realizes that and leave us all the fuck alone, the sooner we can all get on with our lives.

...I find the other hilarious thing about this the notion that having the Russian Orthodox suspend ties with us is any great blow, because there were no ties to speak of in the first place! Although there may have been a commission or two between ECUSA and one or another (there are several, dating from the Bolshevik Revolution) of the U.S. Russian Orthodox denominations, and some joint social work, any attempt at ecumenical reconciliation has been feeble at best, mainly because the Russian Orthodox believe ECUSA doesn't even qualify as a church (only national Orthodox Churches qualify as such -- even the Roman Catholics are a schismatic sect to them), and the laundry list what we would have to change in order to meet their requirements is probably longer than the U.S. Tax Code. At the same time, the Orthodox have been on a "missionary" effort for the past decade or more to try to convert more-conservative Episcopalians based on Orthodoxy not having "liberal heresies" like women clergy. So, when they announce they are "suspending ties," all I can ask is "What 'ties' were they talking about???"

:wtf: