Do you think Clark was too mean to that Fox news man?

What if somebody thinks he had no right to yell at a famous TV news man? What if people say he is insane and should let people say he hates the troops because he DID say he was a democrat and democrats aren't supposed to fight back. !!!

What if.....what if people think he didn't look PRESIDENTIAL because he didn't let them crush him with a boot on his neck? What if people say he's too WEIRD AND CRAZED to have his finger on the button! Oh!! What if they MAKE FUN OF HIM? What if they cluck their tongues and say he has BAD MANNERS!! What if they say it was EMBARRASSING!!!

I'm distressed at what all the THEY'S might think! What if they don't know the right wingers question patriotism of anybody who doesn't salute Bush! They won't understand what Clark was angry about!

Okay so ALMOST EVERYBODY knows what the Fox Assman was doing and knows why Clark was angry but what if there is one voter SOMEWHERE who doesn't know Bush and Fox do this to every person who speaks out against the IRAQ MESS? What will that voter think!!

What if this backfires like all the anti Clarks say! Oh I'm frightened, I'm going to go hide under the bed until it's over!!

Please don't hurt us democrats! We're SORRY a 4 star general who got shot in Vietnam OVER-REACTED when you said he hated the troops!

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eom

but he wasn't mean.

Of course, we knew that they would react that way.

I'm curious to see how moderates and independents viewed this appearance.

DTH

The reporter interpreted his statement in a sinister way. He had no right to take that interpretation off the bat just like that. I have had enough with Faux News pulling this Gotcha crap and eyebrow treatment of the left-of-center Democrats that go on their show. It is entertainment for them, plain and simple. They just want to build controversy.

His first question: "Who talked you into running?"

Oooooo. Mysterious. Obviously General Clark could NOT make that decision himself.

Follow up:
"Did Bill Clinton have the deciding vote on whether you'd run?"

And then he gets all disingenuous about the "sideshow" remarks. "Just reading your own words back, General."

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Such professionals at Fox.

I might just change from Dean to Clark

big change.

I DARE them to feign outrage on this one.

anytime a presidential candidate chews out a Fox anchor, I have to applaud. It should be done more often.

DEMS need to learn that voters do not like or trust "wimps".

Clark did great- Bush/media forgot they were dealing w/ a scholar and a strategist...

I'm worried!

But a battlefield commander who knows the absolute necessity for clarity and who has little time for fools.

no longer.

and I loved it.

I'm an "anti-Dean" as some Dean people say, and I love when Dean does good.

:toast: to all dems who do good.

but a special few are doing well :P

I keep reading the posts about this incident but no one has identified the anchor. I don't have time to find this on the Fox
website. Can someone just give us a brief rundown?
Thanks!!!

Right wingers keep saying "my dad was in WWII" or "my 2nd cousin was in 'nam" so stop "protesting against our troops"....

This is what they say to cover for their own refusal to serve...

I believe he used to be an editor for the WSJ. I've seen him, on numerous occasions, come across as totally moronic (to use a professional term, hehe). Even Al Sharpton said to him once, "I love coming on here and talking to you, because you prove my points for me." They were talking about the lack of African American record co. CEO's, v the large number of African American performers, and Asman said something to the effect of: "They have all these LITTLE companies, why are you complaining?" I assume he was referring to Death Row, et al.

I think Fox removed the video but you can download it here:
http://www.us4clark.com/mediaclips.html

:hi:

eom

How about Assman's last statement - "the mess you say we're in." What the hell would you call it, Asswipe? A day at the beach?

And I think I managed to save it on my computer, so I can send it to someone who I'm trying to win over to Clark. That was GREAT! I can't remember the last time I saw any Dem stand up for himself like that. He managed to get angry and yell at him without coming off as an asshole, and that takes some skill to do. Go Clark!

he took a line Clark said about the Iraq war being a sideshow and instead of asking him about the very real substance of that idea, he used it to try to make Clark look like he was disrespecting the troops.

Clark instantly went off, telling Asman he should be ashamed of himself, and when Asman tried to defuse it Clark wouldn't let him, he made him pay big time.

There are threads here with video links off the Fox website, I recommend it highly.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player.html?4908&FOX_News_Live&Setting%20the%20Record%20Straight&wvx-300

Assman asked wounded 4 star general if it was --PROPER-- to call Iraq mess a SIDESHOW when troops are dying.

After he got the redass Assman said he wasn't implying anything and Clark said yes you were.

...you can NEVER be too mean to a Fox "news man"!!

it's impossible to be "too mean" to a Fox newsperson.

too "mean" to a FAUX NEWS REPORTER? NOT possible. Look at the shit they have dished out over the years. If one of their reporters gets their ass kicked by a candidate, they deserve it and MORE!

I'm a stubborn Deaniac, but Clark is definately my 2nd choice. I was on my feet applauding the television when I saw the interview. My only regret is that he wasn't interviewing with hannity or o'really when it happened.

The exchange was discussed on the abc daily political read (The Note) and I got the impression from reading it that Clark came out on top. This makes me think that the only people who are willing to make Clark look bad from this interview are the idiots over at faux news...they're licking their wounds.

It's about f***ing time a Democrat stands up to fight and defend his/her patriotism. If enough of us do it (both inside and outside the beltway), the neocons won't know what to do.

It's an honest reaction and we don't get very many honest reactions from politicians these days.

I credit Wes Clark with god-like restraint for not knocking that moron's teeth out right there on the set.

Oh, and for the inevitable Dean bashing that this will lead to....are you going to come down on Clark now for being a "meanie"?

Clark doing an interview with O'Reilly or Hannity and wiping the floor with them. I wonder if they would ever have the guts NOW to invite the General in for a little chit chat? I somehow doubt it. The ONLY reason they twist and spin is because they have ALWAYS gotten away with it. NOT any more! Not with Clark.

or Clark probably would have smacked him as he should have. I think it's great when our candidates get angry about things - they need to be angry - all of them. It's great with me.

on their "bait" questions. I think it's great and I hope all the Dems do the same thing.

I linked to it through Josh Marshall's TPM, so it was only a small view, but it looked like Clark was at a different location. Otherwise it might have gotten verry interesting.

I know that must be disappointing. I can whip up a batch if you ask nicely. ;)

Sometimes the silence is the best thing.

Clark just came several points up in my book. He tore that simpering jerkoff Assman a new one, in no uncertain terms.

Are you watching, Democrats? THIS has to be the new face of Democratic resistance to these assholes. NO LESS.

i didn't see the whole interview so i might change my mind either way if i did see the whole thing.

first, the comment was boneheaded. you don't apply the word sideshow to any place where people are dying. but what i saw of his retort was only a shade heavyhanded.

i would have preferred he just admitted he made a poor choice of words and apologize but such behavior seems to be out of vogue nowadays.

as that the real war on terror is being fought in Afghanistan/Pakistan border regions, and the war in Iraq is a "sideshow" to the war on terror. Still a war nonetheless, one he said was fought for other reasons.

I don't think he was refering to it like it was a sideshow for entertainment or something. I think he did a good job clearing it up too.

my point being, it would have been better to not use the term in the first place....always a better plan than to have to clean up after.

hey...the guy is new to this. compared to some of the gaffs made by others, this is small potatoes.

Democrats and liberals can't be expected to weigh every word that comes out of our mouths. I mean should we just avoid all metaphoric,slangy or colorful words and phrases because the boneheads on the right are going to twist them? We'll end up sounding like drones.

they'll still do it to us. :grin:

seriously, it's a media driven 'gotcha' game that goes both ways.

does the name trent lott ring a bell?

And the last thing we need is another Democrat or liberal apologizing to anyone on the right. I don't think that that has gone out of vogue but it sure as hell should.

i thought that was pretty clear.

"i would have preferred he just admitted he made a poor choice of words and apologize but such behavior seems to be out of vogue nowadays."

No, it wasn't clear. The troops and their families weren't the ones trying to put the screws to him in this interview. And even if Clark had felt the need to apologize to the troops and family, I don't think that the place to do it is on a Fox news program and to a Fox news bonehead. That's exactly the kind of corner those gloating, lying bastards would like to back him in to.

And we ahve seen what 20 years of puling and begging before them has gotten us...damned near the end of the Old American Republic.

Screw that! NO MORE APOLOGIES..especially not to Faux, who is used to seeing us cower every time they shake a fist.

'Bout time someone called these bullies on their bullshit...and watch 'em squirm!

wow! I just watched the clip, and I wasn't a Clark supporter, but he's firmly #2 in my book now! I was waivering between Dean and Clark and Kerry - but while I love Dennis K., Clark is my #2 and Kerry my #3 now (after the JJ the other night).

that I heard sum up the lessons of Bill Clinton, and why he was so great at deflecting the RW attacks on him for the 8 years he was President.

"You have to stand up for yourself before anyone will believe you will stand up for them."

Clark showed that here.

I mean, more beet red than usual. I suggest we all write to him full of outrage for implying that our men and women in uniform are a "sideshow." Remember, he's the one who implied that was what Clark meant.

Clark saw right thru his pointed question "Is it proper to call Iraq a 'sideshow' when our sons and daughters are fighting?"

I am glad Clark didn't let Assman get away with it. Kinda like the old question "But don't you think Iraq is better w/ SH gone?" Same kinda crap.

I hate Faux.

Watch the video. It's good.

Take no shit from these Bushevik lackeys! Maybe it'll rub off on some of the others!

He's not my candidate, but damn- you've got to respect him for choking that media clown. He deserved it.

He has no compassion and he slandered Clark and thought he would get away with it. His face turned bright pink when Clark set hin straight. I for one am glad to see this against these kamikazee faux news sharks.

backed up bigtime. Wow, this is awesome. Brains and a backbone...what a man!!!

Big Dean supporter here that thought Wes did GREAT! None of our candidates will be harmed by taking on the media elites, and that's not just Fox either.

DAMN that was GOOD!!!...and he didn't know where to hide when Clark shut him the hell up....but like all Right-Wingnuts trying to scream over your guests is what they call 'debate'...

GO CLARK!!! (but I'm probabbly still voting for Dean)

especially not FOX TV. We need to take our gloves off with all of them. I do not see a downside to attacking the media - whether they deserve it or not.

need to be reminded how Free People behave when smeared with lies.

They have gotten away with it for far too long, and perhaps Clark will start a trend.

I can think of several people that need to be challenged...Hannity, O'Reilly, Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, and many, many more.

Put in d to drive forward and r to go in reverse. I sent if to the comments portion of our paper,the Indianapolis Star, and they printed it.

:)

I have in the past had my doubts about Clark, but this was so good I just wanted to yell !

I've been hoping for ages now that the American public wakes up. It looks like Clark has the honest passion to do that.

When it's been so obvious to the entire world that you were all lied to, and when I saw the passions get high here on Du, I kept on wondering when this kind of passion would show on mainstream media.

And Clark did it on FOX, awesome.

And he did it without thinking, without spin, without teleprompter and without MasterAdviserPuppeteer. Imagine !

:bounce:

MORE !

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

show some righteuos anger every once while!

Clark shows the power of restrained anger. You can see how
upset he is, but that he is still holding something in reserve.
It's really effective.

Also, his tendency to appear outwardly calm most
of the time, helps strengthen the impact of his anger when
he expresses it.

Good thing im not running for pres beacuse id be like Screw you fake news propganda network, screw your baited baised questions, you sir and everyone who works there are a Joke..Hve any of you have no sence of decancy? at long last?
Fox news is nothing more than a right wing Pravda..I say any dem who goes on there should take it to them in the way that clark did..They are going to talk smack no matter what..Its thire job to be the propganda machine for the GOP, Bush and the scamming of america. They should fight Fox news every inch with no quater.
No mercy to Fox news i say!
Scott

I think it's OK.

on him.

what you guys are talking about because I don't watch Faux News, but if Clark stood up for himself and called them out on their bullshit, GOOD FOR HIM!

Kudos Mr. Clark. Take no one's bullshit! Be a fighter. I like that!

That shit-eating Nazi rat of a sorry excuse for a journalist should go to a special wing in hell for suggesting a person can't criticize policy without being unpatriotic - or more specifically being "against" our troops.

His polling numbers just went up. Clark did the right thing. He had every right to be angry and not let Faux twist his words...

and beat Asman senseless. We have really got to quit confusing being a liberal with being a doormat. Maybe we need a 12-step program for BLS--battered liberal syndrome. These guys are bullies--and what bullies understand is refusing to be intimidated by them. Period. If you give any quarter, you've actually encouraged them--or, in psychobabble, enabled them to keep being abusive.