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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:41 PM
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Dean's false lead - tale of a former Dean supporter
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 07:42 PM by Skwmom
"...I enthusiastically embraced Dean at first. When I first saw him on "Meet the Press" in the summer of 2002 and then on "Road to the White House" on C-Span, I really thought he was something."

" But the more that I've followed him and the more that I've seen him on the campaign trail, the more that I've soured on Howard Dean. I just dislike the man personally. It's a personality issue more than anything else........ Most, it seems, didn't have a clue who the Governor of Vermont was at this time last year but have grown to love him since.?

"it's getting perilously close to the primaries and if it takes awhile for others to sour on Dean like it did for me, then his latest surge of support might disappear after he locks up the nomination. And that would be tragic?

http://www.tuftsdaily.com/articleDisplay.jsp?a_id=2732
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:43 PM
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1. uh.....I think not.
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 07:44 PM by slinkerwink
:eyes: because when Dean locks up the nomination, he's going to excite the Democratic base even further and beat George Bush!
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:49 PM
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3. Umm Adam Schultz needs to re-examine his head...
Edited on Thu Nov-20-03 07:50 PM by HawkeyeX
I failed to find anything relevant on that article. It isn't a marathon - it's a pile-on. The more support Dean gets from the primaries, the delgates he can earn for his hard work in the first three primaries -- he'll capture 1st, 1st and 2nd in that order (Edwards, Dean, Clark in SC). The rest is smooth sailing, and what Adam Schultz fails to realize is that Dean is spending more time in each states that are quite relevant, other than hop 'n' go like the other candidates are doing. In fact, yesterday, Bill Richardson commented that Dean not only visited New Mexico more than once, he was the only candidate to take the time to listen to the consitutents from there.

That, to me, shows true dedication on Dean, and given the time (he's not obligated to anything, unlike much of our Presidential candidates with a few exceptions such as Clark, Moseley-Braun and Sharpton) and forms many advisories council to advise on what their group needs (such as the only Indian advisory group in Dean's campaign, no other candidates have one, and forms a decent policy based on what he has listened...)

I predict that with Indian group endorsement, I would not be surprised to see Dean capture not only New Mexico, but Arizona and Utah as well.

Tufts is my cousin's alma mater. She graduated there YEARS ago..


Hawkeye-X
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:44 PM
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8. Adam Schultz is an astute judge of character.
And he's probably only 21 or 22. I am impressed with his insight and analysis. I hope he comes to DU.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:47 AM
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20. He's wrong and he's being superficial.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 12:47 AM by w4rma
He thinks Dean is "sprinting", but maybe Dean is running the marathon so well he looks like he's sprinting. I've seen nothing to suggest he is tiring out.

He says nothing about Dean's stances on the issues, I assume because he agrees with Dean on the issues.

Basically it looks like the guy may be prone to brash decisions about politics. And like you said, he's probably relatively young.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 07:45 PM
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2. Wow
You really had to dig HARD for this didn't ya?



Nice work Skwmom. I always enjoy your positive posts :eyes:

Though this is the first I've seen over one sentence. And alas, it's not even YOUR words :eyes:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:26 PM
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4. Well I'm glad the media's finally setting us straight...
Dean is a whacko liberal from Vermont! No, wait, he's a DINO. He's peaking too early....well, he's peaking too early NOW....no, NOW....no, wait, NOW. He's anti-war. Well, just anti-war-that-was unfounded-and-waged-based-on-lies. He's unelectable. O.k., he seems to be leading in most polls. The Clintons are setting him up to take a fall. Well, maybe he IS the only candidate that Hillary's called an "ally". Only Democrats who should really be Republicans support him. Gee, I didn't know Molly Ivins was a Republican...

...are we beginning to see a theme here?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 10:13 PM
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13. "the media"? What's this? The Tufts student newspaper?
Are, like, 100 people going to read it?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:21 PM
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15. So my post doesn't reflect what the media (large or small audience)
has been saying? Tufts Daily may not be the New York Times, but it IS the "media" and it DOES, at least in this case, fit my response.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:36 PM
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5. vague and bogus criticsim
He doesn't like Dean's personality but won't say why.

Someone could attack any one of us in that same cheap way.

Bogus.

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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:41 PM
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6. How long did it take to come up with this one?
"I've soured on Howard Dean"

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

"I just dislike the man personally" That's good, too. I'm sure smirky dislikes him too.

Give me a break.

So, where is your *own* opinion on this little gem?

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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:43 PM
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7. Misleading title:
Should be 'A disgruntled ex-supporter's tale".
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:49 PM
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10. No, should be DU'ers false lead: Bogus post leaves nothing to chew on. nt
.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:49 PM
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9. ok...
>> I just dislike the man personally. It's a personality issue more than anything else

And I don't like you either. It's a personality issue more than anything else. Go soak your head.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:56 PM
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11. Bush has a good old boy personality
but he still represents all that is evil in America like lies, greed, corruption, etc.

So he doesn't like Dean's personality....hmm.....too bad he doesn't say why :evilgrin:

why don't you give your opinion Skwmom?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:36 PM
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17. that personality got him elected
don't underestimate the power of likability
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 08:58 PM
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12. This one sentece says it all
"It's a personality issue more than anything else."


So, his issues or stances aren't what turned this writer off-- it's Dean's "personality". Yeah, that's the ticket. :puke:
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:15 PM
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14. Dean will keep saying stupid things on the trail
and that should take care of him.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:22 PM
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16. Your support of fellow Dems
is inspiring.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:56 PM
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18. I'm not going to dismiss a candidate because someone I don't know
doesn't like him. Nice guys finish last, or so I have heard.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:34 AM
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19. and your opinion is? Oh yeah, We all know it already.
Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 12:34 AM by RetroLounge
No shit, do you like google and search for negative Dean articles all day long? Who is paying you to do this? Or is it just some kind of blood sport for you.

I mean really, who is your candidate, and if you put 1/2 the effort into being positive about him or her, they might have a chance.

As it is, you are just another sour-grapes Dean Basher.

p.s. You actually typed more than a one-line Dean put-down. Finally discovered cut-and-paste, huh?

edit: spelling
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:50 AM
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21. Here's another anti-Dean article from a campus paper (Carnegie Mellon)
I wonder how much anti-Dean sentiment we can dig up in campus papers alone?

"Howard Dean’s wave of popularity has swelled from an effective grassroots campaign. Many love the man, and would love to see him unseat President Bush in the upcoming election.

One might wonder, however, if many of Dean’s supporters are following a trend or examining the candidate. Dean continues to attack Bush on his economic record, but how has Howard Dean done himself as the governor of Vermont? The answer, as found in a recent Cato Institute study on America’s governors, is “poorly"....

Dean doesn’t talk straight
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 01:28 AM
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22. That was a prety funny article
I can see why you didnt post it as its own thread.
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